vanaj
(Searcher)
12/29/07 10:05 AM
Re: Just updated initial post

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Ken,
As a 30 year pilot and trained search co-ordinator with Casara and having participated in many real searches I have to throw in my 2 cents worth before this very worthwhile endeavor of yours gets too big to handle and please try to understand where I'm coming from with my comments but been there, done that !

We need facts to work with, if we don't have them, then get them, JRCC will have them for sure.

People have to realize this is real world stuff we are doing and not just someones excuse to chit chat about aviation stuff as our goal is to return someones loved ones to them even if they broke every damm air reg thats out there they are still missing.

Many search objects are found outside the search area so sometimes we have to think outside the box if you know what I mean.

We must really be prudent when searching as the smallest clue can open the biggest door and thats what this is all about.

Thanks and keep up the good work..........AL




Al, I think you are the first person that is associated with CASARA that has posted. Welcome, glad you are here!

I. What is JRCC and how does CASARA handle search details? Would information be considered public and freely provided or would it just be provided as a courtesy and at the discretion of the organization? Maybe you could enlighten us on the character of CASARA and its people.

There is a lot of fear here that lots of people will swamp the search teams with requests and ruin any possible relations InternetSAR might need in the future. This comes from the experience with the Fossett search where the U.S. Civil Air Patrol WAS swamped with requests because of the high level of publicity. This was exacerbated by the CAP spokesperson who lacked some public relations skills. The Boychuk search has no where near the high profile of the Fossett search and some of these fears may be exaggerated but are still a concern.

If you have contacts at CASARA or suggestions on how to communicate our need for facts, may be you could send a Private Message to Vanaj. I think he volunteered to take the lead on this.


II. Although I am not a pilot, but I have concluded that pilots approach the whole search thing from a different perspective. Pilots want to have a "reasonable expectation" that the area they search is a likely area where their fellow pilot has disappeared. Hashing out all the known facts of the lost pilots flight is a very productive enterprise that helps the pilot searchers get that "reasonable expectation" that motivates them to search. This is why I think it is imperative that a direct contact is made CASARA to get the facts. Otherwise what motivates this very skilled group of searchers will not be there and they will not participate.



Jim, that is a good assessment. I agree.




Ditto...now Al, (30 years in SAR) has stated the same things I have...

Now there are several others posted here that real facts were needed/wanted...(including BP) some with high levels of experience in this area(some that were not involved with Fossett and knew not of our frustrations there due to the lack of facts)...now all of these just can't be ignored and pushed aside because this is a holiday weekend...it would only take a 15 min call or a couple of emails to get the facts...and since InternetSAR.org was contacted by the SAR Team/Family to help with the search on Dec 5th I think that would be an ample amount of time to get the facts even by Government standards...

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