|
|
|||||||
|
Keyhole reports Lon 0 to a different place the visual markers at Greenwich. Check out the attachment and see the description below. When you visit Greenwich there is a line on the ground (representation of longitude). "The Meridian is marked in a number of places in Greenwich. At the Observatory In the Meridian building and on its outside wall, in the courtyard (incorporating a sculpture) and on the path just outside. A green laser beam is projected from a box above Airy's transit circle after dark along the line of the meridian which can reach up to 15 miles. Southwards There is a line of stones across the Avenue of the park. The meridian clips the raised mound covering a reservoir and bisects the putting green. There should be a stone in the rose beds by the Rangers House. The line goes through the dining room, crimson parlour and gallery of the house itself and is marked on the outside of the boundary wall (south of the house). Northwards You can cross the meridian on the park's <b>Boating Lake!</b> The Millennium Sundial by the lake is some <b>2 metres OFF</b> the Meridian due to incorrect information being supplied. The diallist is unhappy about this as it makes the sundial incorrect by about 8 minutes but it is difficult to see how it could be rectified. In Park Row the meridian is marked on the wall of the Chantry and by a line of studs across the road. The Meridian School in Old Woolwich Road has a plaque on its wall. The line runs through the garden of Trinity Hospital (almshouses) opposite where it is marked on the path. It passes in front of the neighbouring power station, across the Thames and is recorded on the path around the Greenwich Peninsula. Two Meridian pubs are the Plume of Feathers just to the east in Park Row and the Yacht at 00° 00' 06" west in Crane Street. Across the river from the Millennium Dome there is a metal strip at the Virginia Quay development." http://www.london-footprints.co.uk/artmeridian.htm |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
|
Keyhole, Google Earth, and the GPS constellation (therefore car navigation systems, handheld GPS units, and even cruise missiles) use the WGS-84 World Geodetic System. The Flamsteed Astronomy Society has explained the implications of this quite nicely: It is true that a GPS receiver held over the Meridian Line at Greenwich will NOT read longitude (0,0). The WGS84 prime meridian is in fact 102.5 meters to the east of the 1884 Prime Meridian at Greenwich. WGS84 stands for "World Geodetic System 1984" and is used by today’s GPS satellite Global Positioning System. The World’s Prime Meridian marked at Greenwich is the “Airy Meridian” which is aligned to the eye-piece of George Airy’s Transit Circle that had been in use since 1851. It was adopted by the international community in 1884 at a conference in Washington DC. It is no less than the fourth meridian marked at Greenwich. The other meridians are all to the west, marching down the Meridian Building, and were established by Flamsteed, Halley, and Bradley. It was therefore something of a tradition for Astronomers Royal to build new meridian walls (which they did to be able to continue observations while installing new instruments. The geography of the Observatory hill and courtyard really forced them progressively eastward). There was no “natural” or scientific reason for the Prime Meridian to be at Greenwich. It could have been placed at any location where a world-class observatory could refine position measurements. Agreement for Greenwich came from realisation that 70% of the world’s shipping was using Greenwich charts. (Mainly thanks to Maskelyne and the Nautical Almanac. After Harrison, chronometers had remained too expensive to become widespread very quickly). It didn’t hurt that the US Railroads had effectively standardised on the Greenwich meridian in 1883 when they adopted Dowd’s time zone system for their standard timetables. At the 1884 conference the delegate from France agreed not to oppose the adoption of Greenwich on the condition that Britain adopt the metric system. This the Government of Britain promised to do in 1884, and firmly plans to keep that promise when the time is right. After 1884 all was (more or less) harmony until 1954 when positional astronomy in Britain moved from Greenwich to Herstmonceux and the Airy Transit Circle was finally retired. By the 1950s international timekeeping was being regulated by the BIH (Bureau International de l’Heure). The world standard was then based on an average of observations from several observatories and the average reference meridian had probably already wandered around 8 meters from Airy. The move to Herstmonceux required ‘recalibration’ to be done and this added another 10 to 20 meters. Continental drift is also responsible for a bit of movement since 1884. With the advent of the GPS satellite system in the 1980s, accurate navigation could be done by any child using a hand-held computer with more compute power than existed in the entire world in 1954, and with access to 25 satellites in Earth orbit, each carrying two caesium atomic clocks. The system calculates position by receiving and comparing time signals from any three GPS satellites. It needs an internal “map” of the world in the form of a computer program. It wasn’t easy to create the computer map because the Earth isn’t a simple sphere. It has a complicated shape which required a technique called ‘best fit’ to develop the map based on an Earth geodetic model -- WGS84. This doesn’t fit the Earth’s surface exactly everywhere but juggles the map shape to find the position where it fits best at the most places it can. Try as they might, the best fit they could get at Greenwich put the WGS84 meridian to the east of Airy by a tad under 102.5 meters. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
|
I've noticed that if I am zoomed in, with Google Earth, near 0 longitude (say I have the Royal observatory zoomed in on my screen), the map becomes very "jumpy". Movements using the mouse are often not smooth, but jump in quantum leaps. Rotations also squirm (try pressing the "reset north" button, especially if you have roated just slightly.). Thus, I assume the calculations that Google Earth uses are somewhat unstable near 0 longtitude, perhaps due to (say) division near zero? In any case, it is an interesting, and somewhat disconcerting effect. I have not noticed the same effect near 180 longitude, btw. Anyone have a better explanation for what I'm seeing (or is anyone not seeing it at all?) Chad |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
|
I also observe the "jumpiness" of the view when moving while zoomed in near the Prime Meridian. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
|
The posting by seer provided an excellent background on the Prime Meridian. There have been several primary meridians. The attached placemark shows where in England they can be seen. Bradleys' (1824) is still the basis for the Ordnance Survey maps. It can be seen at the Chingford Pillar, also called Bradley's Obelisk. Airy's (1851) meridian is 19 feet to the east of Bradley's. That is the meridian tourists see at the Royal Observatory's Flamstead House in Greenwich. It is called the Prime Meridian, Airy's Meridian, or the Greenwich Meridian. Google Earth correctly uses the International Reference Meridian (IRM) based on the WGS84 scheme. It is a further 102.4779 meters eastwards. However, Google received some unfortunate publicity because they called that meridian the Prime Meridian when Latitude-Longitude is turned on (Control-L). It should be displayed as the International Reference Meridian. Another good source of information is History of the Prime Meridian |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
Quote: LOL! Yes, we will... one day. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6637587.stm) ![]() Simon. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
Quote: Or will we? NIMBY - Not In My Back YARD. Imperial Rules - a lighthearted look at the European Commission's decision to back down in the face of resolute British intransigence. It's good to know that the Canadians are on our side. I'll drink to that. |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
|
Hello Nice find this sundial. I will add it to the Sundial Collection. Regards Felippo
|
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
|
"Try as they might, the best fit they could get at Greenwich put the WGS84 meridian to the east of Airy by a tad under 102.5 meters. " This is of course nonsense, since you can define 0 longitude to be on the Airy Prime meridian, no matter how you fit the earth. Ie, if there is a misfit, they must have used other criteria to define 0. What were those other criteria? |
||||||||
|
|
|||||||
Quote: 2meters=> 2m/(40000000(m around earth)*cos(51.5))*86400(sec/day)= .007 sec off, not 8 min off. And .007 sec cannot be read on the dial of a sundial. Even Oxford is only 5 min off (see the definition of time at Christ Church College which still goes by sun time, and which differs by 5 min from everyone else's time). And the analemma means that the time is off by up to 15 min per day at different parts of the year anyway. While I would certainly have been upset had I been the dial maker, it would not because that 2 meters makes any difference to the accuracy of the sundial. (And since noon is determined by the 0 latitude, which has shifted, it is actually off by 104.5m,or .3 sec, not 2 m ). |