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http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/March-2008/Without-a-
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A California highway patrolman saw Fossett's plane flying at a low altitude near Mammoth Lakes in midmorning, and a ranch hand reported seeing the plane disappear around a ridge to the west of Ne-vada's Mount Grant—the last confirmed sighting of Fossett.
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Which ranch hand are they talking about in this news article...RB?
Must have great eyesight to spot a plane that far away...that's at least 15 miles away

That would put this plane in Cotton Wood Canyon area

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So what you are saying is......that RB spotted SF flying close to NMR ...then heading over to Mud Spring direction...then over to LBC and CWC way.

That still is pretty good eyesight...That is still between 8 and 10 miles away...to spot a small aircraft.
Sun by that time would be hitting you square in the eyballs ...would it not?

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can someone nay or yay this? thank you kindly

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now if SF was at a higher altitude then spotting a blue plane against a blue sky would be much harder...

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actually im not dismissing it because of that fact it was being flown at 60-80 ft (although i do question SF would be doing that) or that rawley may have not analyized it correctly, actually im not dismissing it at all just looking at what could be other than what it is at present...thinking outside the box as ive done from the beginning on this case, ive always had reservations about the intel on this

im more questioning the reasons for fossett being there, just doesnt make sense because of who he was, what he likes to do, his mission orientation, the conversations the night before, what he dreamed about, what he dreams about, whats the next challenge, what he thought when he woke up and so on, this is an opportunity in nevada to do what.?.....combining that with the possibility of the sightings being a different plane is to me a real possibility, i dont mean any disrespect but we dont know how good rawleys eyesight is, whether he has colour vision problems or anything like that, Just because someone is in law enforcement doesnt mean they ask the right questions or that they get it right or fully understand flying and so on , and again no disrespect meant at all, thats just the way it is.

I realize because of the intel they have and believe and decided upon that the search area makes sense to them and to a degree i understand but dont completely agree

Bob hoover is amazing! an uncanny pilot



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Maybe you should come down here and do your own investigating since you don't believe the intel is incorrect and that their might just have been another plane like Hilton's flying around the Hilton Ranch, the odds on that are just astronomical...or Rawley is color blind...or maybe the person asking Rawley questions wrote down 60-80ft and meant 60-80 meters since maybe they just moved here from Canada...

Like I have said before...we could play what if's all day or until the cows come home...asking questions here won't get you where you want to be or the answers you seem to want, so do you own foot work in the field and see if you get any different answers.

again no disrespect meant at all, thats just the way it is, facts are facts...crystal balls are just that...

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Thought id address your comments here that you made in response to my post about other possibilities not necessarily probabilites

first of all it wasn’t a good post on your part to try and belittle my opinion as crystal ball gazing, maybe that worked for nostradamus but thats not my process for evaluation of things, although I am very intuitive

for this response ill try and keep it logical not personal

the statement was a fair statement and question by me when I stated “ we don’t know how good Rawleys eyesight is, whether he has color vision problems or anything like that” that seems to me a fair question or statement, as “we really don’t know”,..I didn’t say he was color blind.

As far as the LEO goes I havn't seen the real report we just have hearsay, and depending on how thorough the questioning was and the awareness and alertness of the LEO and how much intel the LEO already has - would determine the accuracy of the report as to what really happened that day and could there have been any other scenarios envisioned by the LEO or CAP/ANG or someone.

We have to take as fact -that what Rawleys says is completely the way it was. and although that may be entirely accurate, I also think there could be inaccuracies or other possibilities,.one of those being the possibility of another plane...... but that being a lesser of the possibility than the following.....

. perhaps Rawleigh mixed up the days when they chased him down somewhere at a rodeo and were questioning him a few days after the event of sept 3rd,...... maybe that plane he saw and remembered was actually Bob Hoover flying on the 2nd of sept not Steve Fossett on the 3rd. Perhaps there was a mix up of days, maybe a memory fade or other reason but also maybe not at all, ...but it’s a possibility

Much of this search area defined and searched was a result of Rawleighs and the LEO’s report, probably thousands of hours on mechanical turk and google earth, hundreds of flight hours and a lot of manpower as well.

Several planes were found but Steve Fossett was not..

YOU state in your signature bit at the end of your posts.. quote”"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln unquote

and I agree, but in the search for steve fossett the real facts that we have been given just may not be "the whole truth", ....it’s the truth as they present it and they see it but there are other possibilities as well

Bob Hoover should be questioned to determine his flight on the 2nd of sep to see if there is any possibility he was in the same area doing the same thing or similar "one day earlier", making a plane dance by rotating the stick in circles at the edge of controlled flight is more of a Bob hoover thing than a SF thing I would suggest. edit....RFD road 026 can be as far away as 2.5 to 3 miles from 9MR

SF took off from the flying M and banked left as that is what he would have to do perhaps to avoid the rising terrain straight ahead, but 3 miles or so, (maybe less) after take off when he disappeared around the corner in a climb- could very well have continued for a bit and did a left climbing turn over the hills to his left and then passed east of the flying M and went north for a while or west or east or anywhere and maybe not be seen by anyone at the flying M in passing. see jpg attached edit...or went over 9MR and turned around after a bit, how long did RB observe the plane at about 9 am?

This whole search, GE and sanborn images and so on seems primarily based on the supposed fact that he went down somewhere within say 50 miles S or SE of the flying M or maybe east

But did he?

The LEO’s should do some more talking and investigating to see if there are any other possibilites that have been overlooked at all and people re-interviewed

Who knows maybe Bob Hoover could have said to someone ...”wow what a coincidence I flew almost the same flight the previous day” I was even on NFD road 26 as well

It’s a real shame that those at the flying M were not more co-operative in providing what took place and the conversations the previous evening and so on, it seems they were kinda tight lipped and hard to access from what I’ve read, there may have been a clue in those conversations

this whole scenario should be simulated by another cirabria from takeoff at the flying M to the passing flight around 9am and then the slow wallowing flight easterly down NFD road 26 along with those involved and also observers as well and done on basically the same time line

just some thoughts

other possibility? based on above scenario



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We have to take as fact -that what Rawleys says is completely the way it was. and although that may be entirely accurate, I also think there could be inaccuracies or other possibilities,.one of those being the possibility of another plane...... but that being a lesser of the possibility than the following.....

. perhaps Rawleigh mixed up the days when they chased him down somewhere at a rodeo and were questioning him a few days after the event of sept 3rd,...... maybe that plane he saw and remembered was actually Bob Hoover flying on the 2nd of sept not Steve Fossett on the 3rd. Perhaps there was a mix up of days, maybe a memory fade or other reason but also maybe not at all, ...but it’s a possibility

Much of this search area defined and searched was a result of Rawleighs and the LEO’s report, probably thousands of hours on mechanical turk and google earth, hundreds of flight hours and a lot of manpower as well.


first of all it wasn’t a good post on your part to try and belittle my opinion as crystal ball gazing


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“ we don’t know how good Rawleys eyesight is, whether he has color vision problems or anything like that” that seems to me a fair question or statement, as “we really don’t know”

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Bob Hoover should be questioned to determine his flight on the 2nd of sep to see if there is any possibility he was in the same area doing the same thing or similar "one day earlier", making a plane dance by rotating the stick in circles at the edge of controlled flight is more of a Bob hoover thing than a SF thing I would suggest.

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