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rpmckinley
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Re: Vegitation? [Re: rpmckinley]
      #1060052 - 11/25/07 07:27 PM

Here's another good web site, take a look at this thing, +play the videos, and watch his movies. This guy is making this into an aerial survailance plateform.
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/gfsuav/gfsuavn01a.htm

Flying Saucers for real.


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balmerbay
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Re: Vegitation? [Re: rpmckinley]
      #1060054 - 11/25/07 07:34 PM

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Here's another good web site, take a look at this thing, +play the videos, and watch his movies. This guy is making this into an aerial survailance plateform.
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/gfsuav/gfsuavn01a.htm

Flying Saucers for real.





Needs a little more work....


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rpmckinley
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Re: Vegitation? [Re: balmerbay]
      #1060057 - 11/25/07 07:40 PM

No argument there, but it IS interesting.

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balmerbay
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Re: Vegitation? [Re: rpmckinley]
      #1060059 - 11/25/07 07:50 PM

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No argument there, but it IS interesting.




Yes, I could tell it was Vanaj behind the controls.


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KenBarbalace
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Re: Vegitation? [Re: rpmckinley]
      #1060063 - 11/25/07 08:11 PM

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Kinda ticks ya off-don't it? Here we are trying to figure out how to develop a small but highly effective SAR system to try to help save some lives. Do it for under $10,000. And here comes Boeing and Home Land Security with all the Government cash in the world and they want to use it to hand out traffic tickets. Why didn't they get the damned thing up to NV or up to BC and look for Steve and Ron Boychuk?
Really burns me up.



From one perspective yes, it kind of irritates me in that these will be very high priced systems once operational considerations are factored in. However, on the other hand given some of the speeders I have seen on our freeways in Maine, it could be well argued that a bird in the sky issuing tickets could save lives. How many times have you seen a driver driving around 90MPH and weaving in and out of traffic and wished that there was a cop over the next hill who would nab them or that they would end up in a ditch before they hurt someone else? Catching drivers like that would save lots of lives.

Besides done right the imagery from these systems could be used for SAR efforts and fortunately most jurisdictions couldn't keep such a drone busy on SAR missions alone.

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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA

My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later


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DemianC
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Re: Vegitation? [Re: rpmckinley]
      #1060075 - 11/25/07 08:47 PM

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Kinda ticks ya off-don't it? Here we are trying to figure out how to develop a small but highly effective SAR system to try to help save some lives. Do it for under $10,000. And here comes Boeing and Home Land Security with all the Government cash in the world and they want to use it to hand out traffic tickets. Why didn't they get the damned thing up to NV or up to BC and look for Steve and Ron Boychuk?
Really burns me up.




I totally agree!

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cen_sored
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duh deleted [Re: blue_penguin]
      #1060083 - 11/25/07 09:21 PM

duh

Edited by hilbert_space (12/19/07 09:38 PM)


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redlands19
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Funding [Re: rpmckinley]
      #1060221 - 11/26/07 04:03 AM

At least the US has the ability and money to finance putting high quality Sat systems into orbit. I feel we in the UK may be lagging behind.


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DemianC
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...in the media... [Re: DemianC]
      #1060355 - 11/26/07 08:48 AM

http://hjnews.townnews.com/articles/2007/11/25/news/news02.txt

That's why it's good to keep track of possible old crash sites IMO. Not that I know at this point what to do with the list of own findings and reported "old sites" that I'm keeping tho. Neither do I know if anybody will ever follow up on all those "old crash" sites that were reported on MTurk, VS or here on this board. Do the officials care?

There seem to be quite a few known crashed aircrafts just left behind all over the place. Would be neat if there would be one central database of all crashed aircraft with tags like "found and recovered", "found and not recovered", "still missing" etc. I mean it's kinda telling that nobody could figure out right away if those six old crash sites (that are reported over and over again in the media) were known ones or still missing after years/decades.

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Re: Play MISTY for me [Re: cen_sored]
      #1060359 - 11/26/07 09:02 AM

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The code named Kennan "Keyhole-class" (KH) reconnaissance satellites have been orbiting the Earth for more than 30 years. They are typically used to take overhead photos for military missions. KH is a satellite that resembles the Hubble Space Telescope, except it is looking at our planet.

The satellites are often placed into various secret orbits by NASA space shuttles or Titan 4 rockets and managed by the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), headquartered in Chantilly, Va. Digital images from the satellites are analyzed, manipulated and combined by powerful computers at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA).

Almost everything about these satellites is classified. Nevertheless... This is the NASA which launch your satellites...

USA-53/AFP-731 "Misty-1" was launched by the Shuttle STS-36 on 28 February 1990.

USA-144 (1999-028A) Idenfitied as KH12-4 in NASA's database, "Misty-2" was launched on 22 May 1999 by a Titan-IVB (with no upper stage) from Vandenberg AFB.

"Misty 2" is a stealth satellite in a 700-800 km orbit. The shorter off set telescope is a Lockheed, Perkin-Elmer Corporation design verses the suggest imagery telescope optics designer used on the KH-11 KENNON, and Hubble telescope design heritage. Misty shorter telescope uses a large front flat black colored photo shutter window that allows for a wider field of view.

USA-161 (2001-044A) was launched by a Titan 4B rocket from Vandenberg AFB at 21:21 UT on 5 October 2001.

USA-186 was launched on 19 October 2005 by a Titan-IV from Vandenberg AFB.

The KH-11/12/13 series are planned to be replaced by the planned Future Imagery Architecture digital imaging spacecraft. The contract for these planned spacecraft was initially awarded to Boeing in 1999, but in September 2005 the contract was shifted to Lockheed after cost overruns and delays of the delivery date. Each costs in excess of US$1 billion with a further US$400 million spent on launch costs.

Image quality:

KH-13 satellite: The theoretical ground resolution with no atmospheric degradation and 50% MTF would be roughly 0.15 meter (6 inches). NIIRS Level ?

Quickbird satellite: 2’ (60 cm) NIIRS Level 5

"Typical" U-2: NIIRS 7

RQ-4 "Global Hawk": Electro-Optical: NIIRS 6.0/6.5, Infrared: NIIRS 5.0/5.5
http://www.ae.utexas.edu/ASE261KChaput/referencematl/GH_System_Desc.pdf

MQ-1 "Predator": NIIRS 7, Infrared NIIRS 5. These high NIIRS ­levels can be achieved only in some circumstances on UAVs flying low-altitude missions. Medium-altitude missions are flown in the altitude range of 2000 to 25,000 ft. These missions use systems with focal lengths from 180 mm up to18 in. to image an area up to 10 miles wide. Predator has an NIIRS of 6 for this typical mission, which corresponds to distinguishing objects of less than 1 m in size.

I believe that only aerial Photo may be equivalent to NIIRS 9. But there is very good reasons for letting the "enemy" believe that you can take this type of photos by satellite, I mean without sending a plane, a crew, and a very sensitive equipment right over his head in his civilian aerial space...






Well I was thinking lately, considering the above, what capabilities other planets have for Survelliance in the Universe. I was thinking that if they were that capable about viewing other people's culture, they could bop on down and take a look with their high tech savvy. You know there's only so much elemental material in the universe and ways to manipulate it and recycle the atoms. So I figure with the arms race; microwave tower lasers, the E Bomb, an electrical system worm? etc., etc. that these alien folks can just pick and choose their mode d'apparit. They are literally light years ahead so our way of "relating" to each other is probably like a wind farm that generates endless hours of free energy and really good entertainment for them!
Maybe we could send a SETI message out...where is STEVE?




Sorry to dissapoint you, but the likeliness of an alien species actually locating out planet in the wastness of space, is so small that its negligible. Space is a really really big place. You might think its a long way to the nearest drugstore, but thats peanuts compared to space.

Even if they too have a SETI project, our radio signals would only be around 100 light-years away by now (not taking into account, that they would actually have to listen in our direction to hear them), there would not be any places inside that sphere where they could live.

We have to find Steve ourselves.


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