redlands19
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No disrespect to either Moosguides or gursel2, but do you have evidence too support your claimed credentials? and Ken, has this evidence been checked out and confirmed? A person can claim to be anything or anyone via the anonimity of the internet, but its surely essential that full details are both know and checked, for tasks that move beyond the forum.
Liasing with SAR and Boychuk family carries a large amount of responsibility and I would trust that a background check would be carried out on any person given this task.
Regards
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Blue21
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I suggest that you reread what I wrote about the accepted concept of beginning a SAR at the last know position of the object of the search. In this case that would be Revelstoke.
Then, later, when you'll come with FACTS, I shall envisage maybe another opinion.
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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
I have already said to you that it was not a problem for me, I don't see very well why it is one for you... But we can continue to fight in the pitiful bars for 2 opposite opinions based only on RUMORS and forget totally why we all are here, if you prefer.
Dear Mr. Penguin,
I don’t think that this forum is the place for fanciful unfounded assertions as you are attempting to “envisage”. The fact reported is that Boychuk made a position report over Spense Bridge.
Quote from Vangi “When an SAR Officer (PR type) is talking to the media and makes the statement that Ron made a position report over Spense Bridge.. I don’t think even the Enquirer could mess that up..”
To accept your theory one would have to believe that the Canadian SAR officer deliberately lied to the media. I don’t think that you are qualified to make that determination and should refrain from such shenanigans in the future. SAR is serious business and it is no place to just blog around. If you have hard evidence that the SAR officer, 2nd Lieut Alex Cadieux, a spokesman for the Comox 19 Wing, is not credible then post it here or withdraw you allegation.
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blue_penguin
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here's Blue Pengi's award:
I thought it was well deserved...
Let's make it collective, I prefer.
Well, 02:22 here, time for a catnap...
Best Regards 
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KenBarbalace
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Loc: Portland Maine
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No disrespect to either Moosguides or gursel2, but do you have evidence too support your claimed credentials? and Ken, has this evidence been checked out and confirmed? A person can claim to be anything or anyone via the anonimity of the internet, but its surely essential that full details are both know and checked, for tasks that move beyond the forum.
Liasing with SAR and Boychuk family carries a large amount of responsibility and I would trust that a background check would be carried out on any person given this task.
This is what I know:
1) The domain name that he emails me come from and goes to contains his last name and is registered to him. It was registered in 2001and is on the .CA TLD. His mailing address on the domain registration is in Calgary, Alberta Canada and the domain is hosted on servers in Cobble Hill, British Columbia.
2) Doing a Google search on his name I found that his name does show up with the credentials he claims on official Canadian government SAR websites and list Calgary, Alberta as where he is from. I also found some New Zealand SAR websites that also reference his credentials and list his name in association with Calgary, Alberta.
3) His last name is not all that common so it seems highly unlikely that there are two people with his name who are associated with Calgary, Alberta. Even if there are two people with his name, it is even more unlikely that one of the Gregs would be impersonating the other Greg.
I am satisfied that I know more about who he is than just about anyone else on this forum other than Cuddly Bear who is our imagery processing guru.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
Edited by KenBarbalace (12/29/07 05:41 PM)
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gursel2
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Redlands19
I would be happy to provide backup for my credentials:
In 2000, Canada's National Search and Rescue Secretariat presented me with the SAR Achievement Award, a simple Google search of my name produced the following link to their site:
http://www.nss.gc.ca/site/awards/2000/2000Achievementaward_e.asp
I was also interviewed (page 63) by Gerard Prins for his report on the best practices in sar activity
http://www.nzlsar.org.nz/Churchill_Report_SAR.pdf
I have also given presentations to SAR conferences Canada- SARSCENE 1999, 2000 and in Iceland in Ice-SAR 2000 which are all referencable on the web.
If you want I can try and find a picture I took on my first air sar mission where one day (Dec 77) I spent 13 hours in a Canadian Forces DC-3 searching over Northern Manitoba.
Greg
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KenBarbalace
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I don’t think that this forum is the place for fanciful unfounded assertions as you are attempting to “envisage”. The fact reported is that Boychuk made a position report over Spense Bridge.
Quote from Vangi “When an SAR Officer (PR type) is talking to the media and makes the statement that Ron made a position report over Spense Bridge.. I don’t think even the Enquirer could mess that up..”
To accept your theory one would have to believe that the Canadian SAR officer deliberately lied to the media. I don’t think that you are qualified to make that determination and should refrain from such shenanigans in the future. SAR is serious business and it is no place to just blog around. If you have hard evidence that the SAR officer, 2nd Lieut Alex Cadieux, a spokesman for the Comox 19 Wing, is not credible then post it here or withdraw you allegation.
Alternatively the media could be misquoting SAR officials, which frequently happens OR at the time the information was given it was believed to be true, but later discounted or brought into question.
Even media reports that quote SAR officials is rumint until proven otherwise. Blue Penguin has done a good job of defining what it is that is actually known to us as fact at this point in time and it meshes up with the explanation Cuddly Bear and I have been given as to the reason the imagery we are working with was selected.
Once Greg has made the proper contacts hopefully we can get better understandings as to why we are searching where we are and we will be able to dispel some of the rumint.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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vanaj
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Redlands19
I would be happy to provide backup for my credentials:
In 2000, Canada's National Search and Rescue Secretariat presented me with the SAR Achievement Award, a simple Google search of my name produced the following link to their site:
http://www.nss.gc.ca/site/awards/2000/2000Achievementaward_e.asp
I was also interviewed (page 63) by Gerard Prins for his report on the best practices in sar activity
http://www.nzlsar.org.nz/Churchill_Report_SAR.pdf
I have also given presentations to SAR conferences Canada- SARSCENE 1999, 2000 and in Iceland in Ice-SAR 2000 which are all referencable on the web.
If you want I can try and find a picture I took on my first air sar mission where one day (Dec 77) I spent 13 hours in a Canadian Forces DC-3 searching over Northern Manitoba.
Greg
Those facts looks good to me...
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"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." - Mark Twain
"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln
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redlands19
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Thanks to both yourself and Ken for the prompt replies.
Trust you can see the reasons I asked question and dont feel too offended.
Regards
NB; skip the DC-3 pic, you will prob have a dodgy hair style and look a complete ####
Thx
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LJeanL
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Boychuk’s airplane couldn’t have a more camouflaged paint job, especially for autumn, unless, maybe, if it was painted forest green and black. This is going to be really difficult to see. If I had an airplane, I’d have it painted day-glo/neon colors with sparkles and glitter and flashing strobe lights, ok, maybe not the strobe lights, but maybe the pilots here on the forum can explain why airplanes aren’t routinely painted to be more distinguishable from the terrain. 
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vanaj
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Boychuk’s airplane couldn’t have a more camouflaged paint job, especially for autumn, unless, maybe, if it was painted forest green and black. This is going to be really difficult to see. If I had an airplane, I’d have it painted day-glo/neon colors with sparkles and glitter and flashing strobe lights, ok, maybe not the strobe lights, but maybe the pilots here on the forum can explain why airplanes aren’t routinely painted to be more distinguishable from the terrain.
Forget the fancy paint job...just test the ELT after each flight like the Fed's suggest...and change the battery and have the newest and best one avail..after all this is NOT the place to go cheap...A while back there was an operator out of Calif that had the top of their horizontal stabilizer (elevator) painted Da-Glo orange
If you are a non Instrument rated Private Pilot and you are flying over that flat lands in your 32 year old Cessna 150 that you have owned for 4 years 2 months you should have a 406mhz ELT with fresh batteries...and TEST the darn thing...go cheap on something else...
A good survival kit is needed...especially in the north country..flashlight, signal mirror, flares, portable radio...and a portable strobe light like the ones used on life vest...and if you are flying in AK..then a 44Mag in you kit is needed...can't have that in Canada..
If you are an Instrumented rated Pilot then file IFR and fly IFR...you will almost always be in radar contact through out the country and talking to Air Traffic Control...for the non pilots..IFR means "Instrument Flight Rules"...and not "I Follow Roads" as suggested earlier by a non-Instrument Rated Pilot...
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"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." - Mark Twain
"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln
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