no_stranger
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And to all of you on this thread, thanks, and may 2008 bring to you what makes you the happiest ! 
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vanaj
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And to all of you on this thread, thanks, and may 2008 bring to you what makes you the happiest !
Thanks for the thoughts...should pass that on the the Fossett/Boychuk families...
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redlands19
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Your calculations are probably right, however Ron's plane could of gone down 3.1 miles from Revelstoke. One radar report/sighting near Spences Bridge could be anything from another plane in area, to a Penguin with ruffled feathers! One 'beep! bird' or tracked all the way? Guess that factual info about this report is in the pipeline?
Other airplanes in area at the time?
No flight plan common in area?
Area generally busy with air traffic?
Traffic operating from unlicenced fields?
Normal pos reporting ops for the area?
Just questions, although i tend to agree with your synopsis.
Regards all, happy new year.
NB: Make me happy? A result on the fate of two missing people and the hope that 2008 doesnt bring us anything more to look at.
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vanaj
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One radar report/sighting near Spences Bridge could be anything from another plane in area, to a Penguin with ruffled feathers! One 'beep! bird' or tracked all the way?
Please read the type of radar it was again...and birds usually don't show up on radar unless they are in a flock..and they don't fly in straight lines.
Another plane..but going on the same track from Revelstoke to CAT4 with the same GS and time ??
The only bird that might have been in this area able to reach those speeds is the Peregrine Falcon.
Now on the Endangered Species List, many have taken up residence in cities living on tall building and feeding on the easy prey of pigeons in the area.
But then again it would not show up on radar by it's self.
Edited by vanaj (01/01/08 12:25 PM)
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joe1203
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Joe,
Sorry you have it backwards...you subtract 7 hours from UTC to get local Vancouver, BC local time...or Add 7 hours to local time to get UTC on October 23rd..
This is nice except this weather is only up to 1100Z time on the 23rd...that is 0400 Local time in Vancouver,BC and not and indication of what the weather might be like at 1800 Local...if you have more or the location you found this please post...
Yes vanaj,
your absolutely right! My mistake.
This should fit 14 to 18 PDT.
CYVR 232100Z 27007KT 30SM FEW180 SCT230 15/11 A3013 RMK AS1CI1 SLP204
CYVR 232200Z 27007KT 30SM FEW180 SCT230 15/12 A3011 RMK AS1CI2 SLP198
CYVR 232300Z 30004KT 30SM SCT180 BKN230 15/11 A3009 RMK AS3CS2 SLP189
CYVR 240000Z 27003KT 30SM SCT180 BKN230 15/11 A3006 RMK AS2CS2 SLP180
CYVR 240100Z 00000KT 30SM SCT180 OVC240 15/11 A3004 RMK AS2CS2 CONTRAILS
SLP173
The data is from
http://vortex.plymouth.edu/sa_parse-u.html
Joe
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vanaj
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Joe,
Sorry you have it backwards...you subtract 7 hours from UTC to get local Vancouver, BC local time...or Add 7 hours to local time to get UTC on October 23rd..
This is nice except this weather is only up to 1100Z time on the 23rd...that is 0400 Local time in Vancouver,BC and not and indication of what the weather might be like at 1800 Local...if you have more or the location you found this please post...
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Yes vanaj,
your absolutely right! My mistake.
This should fit 14 to 18 PDT.
CYVR 232100Z 27007KT 30SM FEW180 SCT230 15/11 A3013 RMK AS1CI1 SLP204
CYVR 232200Z 27007KT 30SM FEW180 SCT230 15/12 A3011 RMK AS1CI2 SLP198
CYVR 232300Z 30004KT 30SM SCT180 BKN230 15/11 A3009 RMK AS3CS2 SLP189
CYVR 240000Z 27003KT 30SM SCT180 BKN230 15/11 A3006 RMK AS2CS2 SLP180
CYVR 240100Z 00000KT 30SM SCT180 OVC240 15/11 A3004 RMK AS2CS2 CONTRAILS
SLP173
The data is from
http://vortex.plymouth.edu/sa_parse-u.html
Joe
Thanks so much for the info...fills in a gap...the weather in Vancouver was very much a VFR day...and weather would not have been a problem with the closest clouds 3,000ft above the ceiling of an older C172...
Thanks again..
Jim
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Edited by vanaj (01/01/08 11:41 AM)
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DemianC
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Thanks so much for the info...fills in a gap...the weather in Vancouver was very much a VFR day...and weather would not have been a problem with the closest clouds 3,000ft above the ceiling of an older C172...
So we can assume Ron would have gone the straight line under those weather conditions? Assuming some more that it actually was the C172 on the radar at Spences Brigde.... now what? We don't have imagery of that area west of Frazer River and the Route #1, right?
In this case......well...back to counting snow patches on the imagery to the east and sage brushes in Nevada, I guess. 
I tell ya, trying to be pioneers and visionaries can be darn frustrating at time! 
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joe1203
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Hi Jim,
I agree with you. Weather should not be a problem.
I personally would also fly the direct route.
In this case, most of the flight over the mountains should be covered by radar.
It would be interesting to know, were the radar trace endet.
Was he decending (forced to decend) at this time?
Joe
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vanaj
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Hi Jim,
I agree with you. Weather should not be a problem.
I personally would also fly the direct route.
In this case, most of the flight over the mountains should be covered by radar.
It would be interesting to know, were the radar trace endet.
Was he decending (forced to decend) at this time?
Joe
Since the Radar Sight/track was from US Border Patrol Aircraft and I believe they might be a little short on information and capabilities of that equipment so that information might be considered a little sensitive at this time.
My personal feeling is that 8500 would be a minimum altitude for this direct route of flight passing Lytton, before this there are many valleys and lower terrain that would allow a lower altitude.
But then again the fuel consumption is lower at higher altitudes and with thiner air the plane has less drag and you would see high true airspeeds a big factor when flying into a headwind.
Jim
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"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."...Calvin Coolidge 30th President of the USA.
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joe1203
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Hi Jim,
the winds are also higher at altitude.
You can speed up a few knots, when not flying too high in headwinds.
Mr Boychuck wants to reach his destination within SS+30.
Joe
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