KenBarbalace
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Ken, I am not simply being argumentative, just trying to give you input for talking points when you try to obtain the pertinent imagery.
I understand.
Maybe people can collect a list of news articles and sources that have discussed the where and when of different aspects of the Boychuk search and then we can collectively filter it all out. Cuddly Bear and I will try to find out what is official information from the Boychuk search team.
If Fishcat, Blue Penguin and Supersquint can agree upon what is factual information (is that possible  ) then we can at least put the rumors to rest. Any new imagery we get after the current image set would most certainly include areas to the west of Salmon Arm as our current imagery comes up just short of Salmon Arm. We are hoping that the imagery already exists and that it was taken at the same time the current imagery was taken, otherwise any new imagery would be covered in snow.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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balmerbay
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Also, I think it would be nice to have some info on plane dimensions or a link to one on the internetsar.org site (For those not familiar with Cessnas). I've looked at <a href="www.airliners.net" target="_blank">Airliners.net</a> for info. I'm sure there are others.
Here is a link to some Cessna 172 specs.
http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/Cessna/c172%20c175.htm
Thanks..I'll add that one to my list
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redlands19
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We need a confirmation from Revelstoke about Ron Boychuk refueling in this airport (NB: apart his (phone?) communication with his family, e.g. maybe he paid fuel by credit card and when), we must know at what time *exactly* he took off from Revelstoke (control tower report?).
I understood Ron Boychuk usually (always?) stopped at Salmon Arm for fueling and he was scheduled to stop in Salmon Arm. But... Apparently he refueled in Revelstoke which is very near. Why? Because he planned to take another route than Salmon Arm? This info *must* be clarified asap.
"Took off from Revelstoke at 2:00PM (14:00)" or "Refueled in Revelstoke at 3:05PM (15:05)" is absolutely not the same info. The apparent sunset october 23 in Vancouver/Nanaimo (possible error excepted, please someone else verify) was: 5:07PM (17:07) and if I have correctly understood, the mountains which are forwards, and the area around Vancouver international, are not exactly very pleasant at night. This info *must* be clarified, because it means a possible backtrack, even IMO a backtrack from Revelstoke to his starting point.
 04:10 here, Goodnight America...
Sunset, weather etc
http://www.wunderground.com/history/stat...eq_statename=NA
Plus 3 rumint sites page 2 of forum, but guess you have already seen those.
Regards.
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fishcat
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KenBarbalace
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Ken,
Could you check this overlay or whoever does this? It doesn't seem to match up with the old layer.
boychuk_071129-R1C2_23808_8448
tks
I think you will find this image set to be much better now. Don't tell the statistical police, but I'm using some serious fudge factors to line up imagery.
We are hoping that our new method for breaking apart imagery will allow future R series image sets to line up better.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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balmerbay
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Ken,
Could you check this overlay or whoever does this? It doesn't seem to match up with the old layer.
boychuk_071129-R1C2_23808_8448
tks
I think you will find this image set to be much better now. Don't tell the statistical police, but I'm using some serious fudge factors to line up imagery.
We are hoping that our new method for breaking apart imagery will allow future R series image sets to line up better.
Thanks!!
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KenBarbalace
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I know that there are some really good tutorials on this forum and at the GE website, but I need a really brief and straight forward tutorial for the bare basics of using Google Earth and the InternetSAR.org overlays. Is there anyone who could quickly put this together (with some screen captures)?
Just the basics like expanding the InternetSAR.org overlay folders, turning on and off layers, and zooming in and out to different eye altitudes.
I'm starting to get lots of support email and I think if I could put a page on InternetSAR.org that covered the basics, I could reduce a lot of the questions I will be getting.
I can't even begin to write this myself because I'm getting so busy. For the first time in years, my legitimate email is out pacing my spam. 
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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redlands19
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No tutorial, just an example pic showing how hard it could be to make out a crashed plane, even from above.
Disregard blue colour in this image, Ron Boychuks airplane is overall tan colour, with stripes. See page 1 of this forum for pics of the actual plane that Ron Boychuk was flying. I repeat, the blue plane seen in this image is just an example of the sort of situation that small planes end up in on occasion.
1947 PA-16 in Chugiak Alaska. Occupants both survived.
Edited by redlands19 (12/26/07 08:50 PM)
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no_stranger
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Note; KMZ updated 12 JAN 2008
Media reports:,,, and kmz of relevant features within search area.
Please consider that these are media reports and not official, so until there is confirmation we are best advised to treat them as such.
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" Boychuk departed from a Springbank, Alta., airstrip on Tuesday morning, and it is known that at 2 p.m. he refueled in Revelstoke. He was to continue on to Qualicum Beach via Salmon Arm, though he never checked in on the first leg of his journey.
Boychuk made the run routinely, and was reported missing by his son when he failed to show up at the Qualicum municipal airport at 8 p.m. His last known position was about 150 kilometres west of Salmon Arm, suggesting he may have skipped the scheduled stopover and continued on towards Vancouver Island. "
source: http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolon...f9a&k=69992
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" 2nd Lieut. Alex Cadieux, a spokesman for the Comox 19 Wing, said "Boychuk’s last known radio transmission was from over Spence’s Bridge". "After that there was no more radio or radar contact," said Cadieux..."
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" After leaving Alberta, Boychuk refueled in Revelstoke, B.C. He was scheduled to stop in Salmon Arm, B.C., before finishing his flight at Qualicum Bay on Vancouver Island.
When he didn't arrive his son reported him overdue on Tuesday evening. His last known position was about 150 kilometres west of Salmon Arm, suggesting that he may have skipped the scheduled stopover and continued on towards Vancouver Island. "
source; http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071028/missing_plane_071028
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Link to some support answers from the past.
Jump to Google Earth Support Groups.
 Just Hopping Around !
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KenBarbalace
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Ken,
Could you check this overlay or whoever does this? It doesn't seem to match up with the old layer.
boychuk_071129-R1C2_23808_8448
tks
I think you will find this image set to be much better now. Don't tell the statistical police, but I'm using some serious fudge factors to line up imagery.
We are hoping that our new method for breaking apart imagery will allow future R series image sets to line up better.
Thanks!!
Starting with image set 071129-R2C1 we are breaking DigitalGlobe image sets for the Ron Boychuk search into four sub-sets (A1, B1, A2 & B2). This is allowing me to manually adjust the coordinates of image sets on a more granular level, which should help improve the general alignment of imagery. At this point in time I have completed aligning the four parts of image set 071129-R2C1 and will begin work on the next image set tomorrow as I need to get to bed (it is 2:00am my time).
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
Edited by KenBarbalace (12/26/07 11:22 PM)
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