KenBarbalace
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While I can cover the test and basic,intermediate, and advanced components of imagery analysis I would like help with other components such as vegetation analysis (blue penguin's specialty).
Heck, I can't tell the difference between a Plane and a blue tarp... 
But I do know what a yellow CAT looks like... 
My vote is you fly up to some of these places anyways and send back some pictures...  It seems a lot prettier than the Sagebrush.
Absolutely! Just remember that we have no budget and everyone has to do their part of this on their own dime so don't bother submitting an expense report. 
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DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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vanaj
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While I can cover the test and basic,intermediate, and advanced components of imagery analysis I would like help with other components such as vegetation analysis (blue penguin's specialty).
Heck, I can't tell the difference between a Plane and a blue tarp...
But I do know what a yellow CAT looks like...
My vote is you fly up to some of these places anyways and send back some pictures... It seems a lot prettier than the Sagebrush.
Absolutely! Just remember that we have no budget and everyone has to do their part of this on their own dime so don't bother submitting an expense report.
Trust me if I had the disposable income I would have a plane with a camera system that would make Mr Hubble blush...
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"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."...Calvin Coolidge 30th President of the USA.
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rpmckinley
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Absolutely! Just remember that we have no budget and everyone has to do their part of this on their own dime so don't bother submitting an expense report.
There you go - getting cheep again.
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Trust me if I had the disposable income I would have a plane with a camera system that would make Mr Hubble blush...
Ya - You and me both brother.
Where the heck is Richard Branson when we need him?
Hey, What about getting him to outfit some of his airliners with cameras so that when they fly over these areas they can perform double duty. Fly passengers and packages plus take aerial photos at the same time.
Cool idea I think. Anybody got his phone number?
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MedicPilot
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Hello,
My name is Greg, and although I do not claim to be an expert in this area, I am a commercial pilot. I also have some overhead imagery interepretation experience from the Navy, although that was several years ago.
I am most interested in the information that has been gathered so far. I have read that the pilot made a position report over Salmon Arm. Do we know this for sure? Does this information come from NavCanada? Or was this reported by news media or overheard by others. I've found that anything reported by the news media, especially when it pertains to aircraft and aviation, is full of errors.
I agree with one of the other posts that there is no evidence to suggest that the pilot may have crashed near Salmon Arm. As pointed out earlier, the pilot did not make any mention of problems, which he most certainly would have if there were issues at that time. Also, by the time a pilot actually makes a position report, they can be miles from that location. This is of course contingent upon whether he actually made that report (ie verification from Nav Canada).
Did the pilot file a flight plan?
The imagery that we are getting to overlay, was that shot just after the accident? If not, there's a good chance that any wreckage will be covered by snow if the imagery is more recent.
Do we have a record of the weather observations at the time of the accident? If the weather was low with clouds and precipitation, the pilot may have been hugging close to the terrain to stay in the clear. If it was getting dark, those ridge lines and mountains are near impossible to see and avoid, even for an experienced aviator who is familiar with the route.
Well, those are just a couple of thoughts I have. I'm assuming that this is a recovery effort (i.e. we're not looking for a live person anymore), correct?
Clear skies.
Greg
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LJeanL
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What we need is for everyone to pipe in and list what they are working on so that we can organize ourselves a little better. We need to pick off the lowest hanging fruit first and then start working on deeper stuff.
Here's what I'm doing: I am reading through the first part of the Fossett thread to get info for a "History" page. I don't know how detailed this should be. I guess we can always add to it later. I am also collecting questions for a FAQ page, links for a "Links" page, and crash site pictures. I'm not sure if supersquint was volunteering to do the "how to use overlays in Google Earth tutorial" or not, but if she doesn't have time, I'll try to do it. Let me know.
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CAPPILOT
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It would seem that if Ron had given a position report at the bridge ,that if he deviated off coarse or turned around he would have also reported that .Looking at his direct coarse there are 4 high ridges just ahead of his track and Vancouver class B airspace just above,so if he didn't want to contact ATC I would agree he took the lower valley route,could have turned up the wrong canyon? I've not seen in the forum where it says if he had a GPS aboard ,or was instrument rated? One last question, when transitioning the last 20 miles over the water to CAT4 (Qualicum Beach muni) do pilots usually go around the restricted air space (CYR107) to the north or stay below 1000 ft to avoid it .Enough questions I'll get back looking at G Earth
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vanaj
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Hello,
My name is Greg, and although I do not claim to be an expert in this area, I am a commercial pilot. I also have some overhead imagery interepretation experience from the Navy, although that was several years ago.
I am most interested in the information that has been gathered so far. I have read that the pilot made a position report over Salmon Arm. Do we know this for sure? Does this information come from NavCanada? Or was this reported by news media or overheard by others. I've found that anything reported by the news media, especially when it pertains to aircraft and aviation, is full of errors.
I agree with one of the other posts that there is no evidence to suggest that the pilot may have crashed near Salmon Arm. As pointed out earlier, the pilot did not make any mention of problems, which he most certainly would have if there were issues at that time. Also, by the time a pilot actually makes a position report, they can be miles from that location. This is of course contingent upon whether he actually made that report (ie verification from Nav Canada).
Did the pilot file a flight plan?
The imagery that we are getting to overlay, was that shot just after the accident? If not, there's a good chance that any wreckage will be covered by snow if the imagery is more recent.
Do we have a record of the weather observations at the time of the accident? If the weather was low with clouds and precipitation, the pilot may have been hugging close to the terrain to stay in the clear. If it was getting dark, those ridge lines and mountains are near impossible to see and avoid, even for an experienced aviator who is familiar with the route.
Well, those are just a couple of thoughts I have. I'm assuming that this is a recovery effort (i.e. we're not looking for a live person anymore), correct?
Clear skies.
Greg
Welcome aboard Greg....
I do believe the position report was from a Lt in the SAR team....
" 2nd Lieut. Alex Cadieux, a spokesman for the Comox 19 Wing, said "Boychuk’s last known radio transmission was from over Spence’s Bridge". "After that there was no more radio or radar contact," said Cadieux..."
As to when the Images were taken by SAT I'm not sure..I think Ken or CB have that answer...
As to the flight plan...I thought Canada was like Mexico and flight plans were required on all flights..VFR or not..maybe we have a CA pilot out there that can answer this for us...there were also reports of NORAD tracking targets in that same area but like Fossett, they could not do a positive ID on the aircraft...
So we look and look more...
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"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination are omnipotent. The slogan 'press on' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."...Calvin Coolidge 30th President of the USA.
Edited by vanaj (12/27/07 06:45 PM)
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redlands19
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Recurring issues in rumint, (media).
Last radio contact seems to be trusted, although is variously reported as either at Spences bridge, or south of Spences bridge.
Search teams appear to have focused on areas west of Lytton, including Fraser canyon, Logan lake, wooded areas near Kamloops.
Have a few questions in addition.
Fuel on board at take of from Springbank?
Any history of airplane instrument malfunctions?
Fuel loaded at Revelstoke? witnesses to this? arrival and departure time? Disscrepancy (error) between times stated as 2pm and 3.05pm.
Poss 2pm arr, 3.05 dep after refuel?
Any contact, phone calls etc while at Revelstoke?
Salmon Arm was definately 100% missed out?
Any radar or radio reports at any time? Other than 'last radio contact' near to Spences bridge?
Previously posted, GPS in plane?
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Blue21
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"As to the flight plan...I thought Canada was like Mexico and flight plans were required on all flights..VFR or not..maybe we have a CA pilot out there that can answer this for us...there were also reports of NORAD tracking targets in that same area but like Fossett, they could not do a positive ID on the aircraft..."
So we look and look more...
Part VI - General Operating and Flight Rules
Canadian Aviation Regulations 2007-1
Requirement to File a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary
602.73 (1) Subject to subsection (3), no pilot-in-command shall operate an aircraft in IFR flight unless an IFR flight plan has been filed.
(2) No pilot-in-command shall operate an aircraft in VFR flight unless a VFR flight plan or a VFR flight itinerary has been filed, except where the flight is conducted within 25 nautical miles of the departure aerodrome.
Filing of a Flight Plan or a Flight Itinerary
602.75 (1) A flight plan shall be filed with an air traffic control unit, a flight service station or a community aerodrome radio station.
Edited by Blue21 (12/27/07 07:52 PM)
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