KenBarbalace
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On the suggestion of danescombe I starting a new thread for the InternetSAR.org search effort for Ron Boychuk in British Columbia Canada. From now on, each search effort we start will have its own thread so that we don't get different search efforts mixed up. I will update this post from time to time with the best available information for the Ron Boychuk search so that we always have one point to refer back to.
Participate in the search for Ron Boychuk
If you are already a member of InternetSAR.org you can go directly to the Ron Boychuk search at: http://InternetSAR.org/searches/boychuk/index.html
If you have not yet joined InternetSAR.org and would like participate in the Ron Boychuk search effort, please go to http://InternetSAR.org/user/join.html to sign up. Once you sign up an email will be sent to the email address you provide which you will need to use to activate your account.
VERY IMPORTANT: Reporting Findings
If you have an object that you want to report for the Boychuk search, please go to: http://internetsar.org/searches/boychuk/reportobject.html (you will have to be logged in to InternetSAR.org to file any reports). Please do not file reports for objects found in InternetSAR.org imagery directly to the Boychuk search team as our reporting system has been set up to help them manage and track imagery reports and ensure that all reports are properly evaluated. We can not ensure that reported imagery will be evaluated properly if it is not reported through the InternetSAR.org reporting channel.
This reporting system will allow you to track the progress of your reports and read all feedback submitted by report evaluators and the search team.
System requirements
To participate in the InternetSAR.org search effort for Ron Boychuk you will need to have Google Earth installed on your computer and you will need a broadband Internet connection as the sheer quantity of imagery that will need to load is way too much for a slow Internet connection like dialup.
What is known for the Ron Boychuk Search
Ron Boychuk disappeared on October 23, 2007 on his way home, while he was flying alone in a Cessna 172 plane. Ron departed from Revelstoke, Canada en route to the Vancouver Island community of Qualicum, Canada and never arrived.
A complete mission briefing of everything we know about the events surrounding Ron Boychuk's disappearance can be read at: http://internetsar.org/searches/boychuk/missionbriefing.html
(please note you must be logged in to InternetSAR.org to access the report)
Ron Boychuk's plane
Ron was flying the Cessna 172 pictured below:
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE: DO NOT CONTACT THE BOYCHUK SEARCH TEAM DIRECTLY YOURSELF
One of the big downfalls of the original MTurk search effort for Steve Fossett was the sheer volume of "white noise" created by people contacting the CAP and search teams directly themselves to report objects and ask questions. The InternetSAR.org reporting system has been designed to help search teams manage, evaluate and track reported imagery, so it is very important that all reports for InternetSAR.org imagery go through our reporting system. We do have an official point of contact with the Boychuk search team and they are able to log into InternetSAR.org and review ALL reported objects.
It is also acknowledged that good factual information will be critical for the success of our search mission. I will be using this forum to help collect questions that need to be answered and will pass them on to the Boychuk search team via our point of contact. Please ask any questions you have here rather than taking them directly to the Boychuk search team directly so that we don't overwhelm them with questions as happened with the Fossett search.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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KenBarbalace
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I just came across an interesting article at: http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=77ec86f2-c47a-4964-b52d-57b0c2be7d43
It is about how a parts shortage has been grounding Canadian Air Force Cormorant EH-101 helicopters, which are used for search and rescue missions. The article mentions the Ron Boychuk search in passing.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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KenBarbalace
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As I mentioned in the previous thread before splitting the Ron Boychuk search off to its own thread, I will be interviewed on Vancouver BC radio station CKNW 890am at 4:40pm today Pacific Time (in just about one hour) in relation to the Boychuk search. If you want to listen in and don't live in their listening area, you can go to: http://www.cknw.com/
Thanks to a lot of PR footwork by Fishcat, we are starting to get attention to our Boychuk search effort and around 12 people have signed up on InternetSAR.org today alone (mostly from Canada).
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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Blue21
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As I mentioned in the previous thread before splitting the Ron Boychuk search off to its own thread, I will be interviewed on Vancouver BC radio station CKNW 890am at 4:40pm today Pacific Time (in just about one hour) in relation to the Boychuk search. If you want to listen in and don't live in their listening area, you can go to: http://www.cknw.com/
Thanks to a lot of PR footwork by Fishcat, we are starting to get attention to our Boychuk search effort and around 12 people have signed up on InternetSAR.org today alone (mostly from Canada).
Ken,
Good job on the interview. We should get more volunteers now.
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KenBarbalace
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Good job on the interview. We should get more volunteers now.
I was really nervous during the interview. I was so thankful when he went to commercial break so that I had a chance to collect my thoughts. 
I'm also thankful that I registered InternetSearchAndRescue.org as I'm sure people tried that domain as well.
We had three people sign up during the interview and two more sign up a few minutes after it was over. All told we have had around 15 people sign up today since the radio station first interviewed me earlier today. They have been really nice and are going out of their way to plug our effort to find Ron Boychuk.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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rpmckinley
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Good shot Ken, Now all we need is the right imagery.
I know - I Know,- You're working on it.
God this is frustrating.
Hopefully that interview will stirr up some more interest and get someone to caugh up some info and imagery we can use.
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KenBarbalace
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Good shot Ken, Now all we need is the right imagery.
I know - I Know,- You're working on it.
Yes we are working on it. All of our imagery is on the most probable flight path, but to the east of Salmon Arm. Ideally we will get some imagery to the west of Salmon Arm, but we have to remember that even the Salmon Arm info is rumint as supersquint would say. We can not and should not completely discount this imagery. As we should do, we will work on the best available imagery and best available information. If we get imagery to the west of the current imagery we may focus on it if the information we get from the Boychuk search team indicates that said imagery has a higher probability than our current imagery. At the same time, we will always revert back to lower probability imagery when we run out of the highest probability imagery.
It may be unlikely that he turned around, but it is not impossible. We simply don't know and we need to exhaust all possibilities in the order of probability.
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God this is frustrating.
Hopefully that interview will stirr up some more interest and get someone to caugh up some info and imagery we can use.
Rome wasn't built in a day and we really are working in uncharted waters in many respects. The more we do this the better we will get at working with search teams and the more likely it will be that we get in on the decision process for choosing what areas imagery will be captured for.
Remember to find Ron Boychuk we must find where he is not.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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Blue21
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Good shot Ken, Now all we need is the right imagery.
I know - I Know,- You're working on it.
God this is frustrating.
Hopefully that interview will stirr up some more interest and get someone to caugh up some info and imagery we can use.
We definitely are ready for the pertinent imagery, that is, west of Spense Bridge and along the possible roads and valley routes to Boychuk’s destination. Unless he fell ill, he surely flew along the most likely routes west.
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I will be interviewed on Vancouver BC radio station CKNW 980 AM at 4:40pm today Pacific Time (in just about one hour) in relation to the Boychuk search. If you want to listen in and don't live in their listening area, you can go to: http://www.cknw.com/
Thanks to a lot of PR footwork by Fishcat, we are starting to get attention to our Boychuk search effort and around 12 people have signed up on InternetSAR.org today alone (mostly from Canada).
Ken,
Good job on the interview. We should get more volunteers now.
Yes - good interview - I listened to it old-school over the airways (980 AM btw). That should provide a boost in interest to this effort.
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KenBarbalace
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I will be interviewed on Vancouver BC radio station CKNW 980 AM at 4:40pm today Pacific Time (in just about one hour) in relation to the Boychuk search. If you want to listen in and don't live in their listening area, you can go to: http://www.cknw.com/
Thanks to a lot of PR footwork by Fishcat, we are starting to get attention to our Boychuk search effort and around 12 people have signed up on InternetSAR.org today alone (mostly from Canada).
Ken,
Good job on the interview. We should get more volunteers now.
Yes - good interview - I listened to it old-school over the airways (980 AM btw). That should provide a boost in interest to this effort.
Thanks,
Yes we are getting a really good boost in new members today. They first covered the story earlier in the day which resulted in almost one dozen new members before the afternoon interview. During the Interview three more people signed up and since then another seven people have signed up as of this moment. 
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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Blue21
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Good shot Ken, Now all we need is the right imagery.
I know - I Know,- You're working on it.
Yes we are working on it. All of our imagery is on the most probable flight path, but to the east of Salmon Arm. Ideally we will get some imagery to the west of Salmon Arm, but we have to remember that even the Salmon Arm info is rumint as supersquint would say. We can not and should not completely discount this imagery. As we should do, we will work on the best available imagery and best available information. If we get imagery to the west of the current imagery we may focus on it if the information we get from the Boychuk search team indicates that said imagery has a higher probability than our current imagery. At the same time, we will always revert back to lower probability imagery when we run out of the highest probability imagery.
It may be unlikely that he turned around, but it is not impossible. We simply don't know and we need to exhaust all possibilities in the order of probability.
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God this is frustrating.
Hopefully that interview will stirr up some more interest and get someone to caugh up some info and imagery we can use.
Rome wasn't built in a day and we really are working in uncharted waters in many respects. The more we do this the better we will get at working with search teams and the more likely it will be that we get in on the decision process for choosing what areas imagery will be captured for.
Remember to find Ron Boychuk we must find where he is not.
Ken,
I know that you are working on getting imagery and appreciate your aforementioned comments.
However, as an old aviator with 40 years of experience, my feeling is that if Boychuk’s last reported position was at Spense Bridge, then in all probability he continued flying west toward his destination. When a pilot reports a position like that with no other comments, it means that “I am at Spense Bridge proceeding on my original flight path and expect to complete my flight on time without incident.” If he was required to turn around due to weather or mechanical problem, there would be more evidence to that effect.
The image priority should be west of his last know position.
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KenBarbalace
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Ken,
I know that you are working on getting imagery and appreciate your aforementioned comments.
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However, as an old aviator with 40 years of experience, my feeling is that if Boychuk’s last reported position was at Spense Bridge, then in all probability he continued flying west toward his destination. When a pilot reports a position like that with no other comments, it means that “I am at Spense Bridge proceeding on my original flight path and expect to complete my flight on time without incident.” If he was required to turn around due to weather or mechanical problem, there would be more evidence to that effect.
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The image priority should be west of his last know position.
We will always make the highest probability imagery that we have the priority for review. Right now the imagery we are working with is the highest probability imagery we have access to. Cuddly Bear is working with our contact to see if we can get higher probability imagery to the west of Salmon Arm/Suspense Bridge. But keep in mind we must also make sure we are getting imagery based on the best info the Boychuk SAR team has not necessarily what the media is reporting. All too often media reports are wrong or inaccurate.
I have asked Fishcat to work with others to track down the best available information and to work on separating fact from rumor. We must make sure that if we do request new imagery and change our imagery priorities that this is based on known facts not rumors.
I'm so busy trying to program the stuff we need to make InternetSAR.org work that I really don't have any time to do the fact checking myself, which is why I have asked Fishcat to take the lead on this. Until this past weekend I didn't even know for sure if we were actually going to be getting imagery for the Boychuk search and I didn't start to learn what areas were covered by the imagery until I started playing with it and made it live on InternetSAR.org on the 24th.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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rpmckinley
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Blue one, You just hit on our most frustrating point. Throughtout all the time and efforts that we have put in during the searcg for Steve Fossett, and now with the search for Ron Boychuk, we have been frustrated by our inability to control our own imagery sources. Although we have been very fortunate in getting good imagery from the poeple who provide it, And we are greatful to them for providing what they have, as we build our intelegence information on things we eventually learn that we need or would like images from some different areas. So far that has been difficult or nearly impossible to obtain.
As we continue to develop this InternetSAR into a viable process it is hoped that eventually we will gain enough credability that it will become much easier to obtain the imagery we need when we need it.
But until that time comes we are at the mersy of those who contol the cameras and the satellittes, and the purse strings.
Welcome aboard.
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balmerbay
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Ken,
I know that you are working on getting imagery and appreciate your aforementioned comments.
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However, as an old aviator with 40 years of experience, my feeling is that if Boychuk’s last reported position was at Spense Bridge, then in all probability he continued flying west toward his destination. When a pilot reports a position like that with no other comments, it means that “I am at Spense Bridge proceeding on my original flight path and expect to complete my flight on time without incident.” If he was required to turn around due to weather or mechanical problem, there would be more evidence to that effect.
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The image priority should be west of his last know position.
We will always make the highest probability imagery that we have the priority for review. Right now the imagery we are working with is the highest probability imagery we have access to. Cuddly Bear is working with our contact to see if we can get higher probability imagery to the west of Salmon Arm/Suspense Bridge. But keep in mind we must also make sure we are getting imagery based on the best info the Boychuk SAR team has not necessarily what the media is reporting. All too often media reports are wrong or inaccurate.
I have asked Fishcat to work with others to track down the best available information and to work on separating fact from rumor. We must make sure that if we do request new imagery and change our imagery priorities that this is based on known facts not rumors.
I'm so busy trying to program the stuff we need to make InternetSAR.org work that I really don't have any time to do the fact checking myself, which is why I have asked Fishcat to take the lead on this. Until this past weekend I didn't even know for sure if we were actually going to be getting imagery for the Boychuk search and I didn't start to learn what areas were covered by the imagery until I started playing with it and made it live on InternetSAR.org on the 24th.
If my computer holds up, I'm back looking at the new imagery. Merry Christmas to everyone...I did find this article for Fishcat to look at if he hasn't already.
Boychuk-Oct 30
Also, I think it would be nice to have some info on plane dimensions or a link to one on the internetsar.org site (For those not familiar with Cessnas). I've looked at Airliners.net for info. I'm sure there are others.
Great work and commitment Ken and to everyone else!!
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KenBarbalace
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Blue one, You just hit on our most frustrating point. Throughtout all the time and efforts that we have put in during the searcg for Steve Fossett, and now with the search for Ron Boychuk, we have been frustrated by our inability to control our own imagery sources. Although we have been very fortunate in getting good imagery from the poeple who provide it, And we are greatful to them for providing what they have, as we build our intelegence information on things we eventually learn that we need or would like images from some different areas. So far that has been difficult or nearly impossible to obtain.
As we continue to develop this InternetSAR into a viable process it is hoped that eventually we will gain enough credability that it will become much easier to obtain the imagery we need when we need it.
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But until that time comes we are at the mersy of those who contol the cameras and the satellittes, and the purse strings.
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Welcome aboard.
These are very important points. Two months ago when Ron Boychuk went missing, InternetSAR.org did not exist. On December 5th when I was first contacted about helping out with the Ron Boychuk search I had only been developing InternetSAR.org for two maybe three weeks and only had the barest skeleton of a site online.
In one month InternetSAR.org has gone from being a bunch of theoretical discussions and wish lists on this forum into being a reality that is working on a real search effort. When you think about this, it is really amazing. There is a long way to go, but we have also come a long way in a very short period of time. We must also remember that we are charting a whole new territory with search and rescue. There will be bumps and setbacks along the way.
Eventually we will have a role to play in how imagery is captured and eventually we will have the credibility to get the funding we need to get better imagery, but for now we need to do the best job we can with what we have. The imagery is on Ron Boychuk's most likely fight path and it does need to be evaluated. As we get imagery for higher probability areas we will push that imagery ahead of this imagery in the assignment queue.
The best way for us to find Ron Boychuk is to work as hard as we can and do the best job we can with what we have to prove to those who control the purse strings that this is a viable means to find a down aircraft. Patience and persistence will win the day.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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Blue one, You just hit on our most frustrating point. Throughtout all the time and efforts that we have put in during the searcg for Steve Fossett, and now with the search for Ron Boychuk, we have been frustrated by our inability to control our own imagery sources. Although we have been very fortunate in getting good imagery from the poeple who provide it, And we are greatful to them for providing what they have, as we build our intelegence information on things we eventually learn that we need or would like images from some different areas. So far that has been difficult or nearly impossible to obtain.
As we continue to develop this InternetSAR into a viable process it is hoped that eventually we will gain enough credability that it will become much easier to obtain the imagery we need when we need it.
But until that time comes we are at the mersy of those who contol the cameras and the satellittes, and the purse strings.
Welcome aboard.
Fish, cats, penguins, and another wild goose? Yup, plane could of back tracked, but prob has'nt. Hope SupSq, BP and FC manage to sort a few facts from the fiction! Not you fault Ken, you can only work with what you have! Tad irritating if plane is found to have already passed through area of images available though! Hey Ho! Will await their findings. 
If its of any help sorting the wheat from the chaff.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2007/11/03/bc-search.html?ref=rss
http://www.airforce.forces.gc.ca/19wing/news/releases_e.asp?cat=79&id=4744
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071028/missing_plane_071028
And one on the weather at the time.
http://www.wunderground.com/history/stat...eq_statename=NA
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We need a confirmation from Revelstoke about Ron Boychuk refueling in this airport (NB: apart his (phone?) communication with his family, e.g. maybe he paid fuel by credit card and when), we must know at what time *exactly* he took off from Revelstoke (control tower report?).
I understood Ron Boychuk usually (always?) stopped at Salmon Arm for fueling and he was scheduled to stop in Salmon Arm. But... Apparently he refueled in Revelstoke which is very near. Why? Because he planned to take another route than Salmon Arm? This info *must* be clarified asap.
"Took off from Revelstoke at 2:00PM (14:00)" or "Refueled in Revelstoke at 3:05PM (15:05)" is absolutely not the same info. The apparent sunset october 23 in Vancouver/Nanaimo (possible error excepted, please someone else verify) was: 5:07PM (17:07) and if I have correctly understood, the mountains which are forwards, and the area around Vancouver international, are not exactly very pleasant at night. This info *must* be clarified, because it means a possible backtrack, even IMO a backtrack from Revelstoke to his starting point.
 04:10 here, Goodnight America...
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rpmckinley
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Also, I think it would be nice to have some info on plane dimensions or a link to one on the internetsar.org site (For those not familiar with Cessnas). I've looked at <a href="www.airliners.net" target="_blank">Airliners.net</a> for info. I'm sure there are others.
Here is a link to some Cessna 172 specs.
http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/Cessna/c172%20c175.htm
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Ken,
I know that you are working on getting imagery and appreciate your aforementioned comments.
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However, as an old aviator with 40 years of experience, my feeling is that if Boychuk’s last reported position was at Spense Bridge, then in all probability he continued flying west toward his destination. When a pilot reports a position like that with no other comments, it means that “I am at Spense Bridge proceeding on my original flight path and expect to complete my flight on time without incident.” If he was required to turn around due to weather or mechanical problem, there would be more evidence to that effect.
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The image priority should be west of his last know position.
We will always make the highest probability imagery that we have the priority for review. Right now the imagery we are working with is the highest probability imagery we have access to. Cuddly Bear is working with our contact to see if we can get higher probability imagery to the west of Salmon Arm/Suspense Bridge. But keep in mind we must also make sure we are getting imagery based on the best info the Boychuk SAR team has not necessarily what the media is reporting. All too often media reports are wrong or inaccurate.
I have asked Fishcat to work with others to track down the best available information and to work on separating fact from rumor. We must make sure that if we do request new imagery and change our imagery priorities that this is based on known facts not rumors.
I'm so busy trying to program the stuff we need to make InternetSAR.org work that I really don't have any time to do the fact checking myself, which is why I have asked Fishcat to take the lead on this. Until this past weekend I didn't even know for sure if we were actually going to be getting imagery for the Boychuk search and I didn't start to learn what areas were covered by the imagery until I started playing with it and made it live on InternetSAR.org on the 24th.
I fully concur with your perspective. It seems that the decision on were is the best place to look turns on whether or not it is factual that Boychuk made a radio transmission position report over Spense Bridge. Apparently we should work on verifying that fact. It should be a matter of record somewhere that he did indeed make a position report over Spense Bridge. If so then that is more than circumstantial evidence that he was heading west from that point.
I agree with your premise that to find Boychuk, we must find where he is not, however when my horses break down the fence and run off and I can see their tracks leading off, I can assume that they are no longer in the pasture. At that point I consider that I have found where they are not.
Ken, I am not simply being argumentative, just trying to give you input for talking points when you try to obtain the pertinent imagery.
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Ken,
Could you check this overlay or whoever does this? It doesn't seem to match up with the old layer.
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KenBarbalace
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Ken, I am not simply being argumentative, just trying to give you input for talking points when you try to obtain the pertinent imagery.
I understand.
Maybe people can collect a list of news articles and sources that have discussed the where and when of different aspects of the Boychuk search and then we can collectively filter it all out. Cuddly Bear and I will try to find out what is official information from the Boychuk search team.
If Fishcat, Blue Penguin and Supersquint can agree upon what is factual information (is that possible  ) then we can at least put the rumors to rest. Any new imagery we get after the current image set would most certainly include areas to the west of Salmon Arm as our current imagery comes up just short of Salmon Arm. We are hoping that the imagery already exists and that it was taken at the same time the current imagery was taken, otherwise any new imagery would be covered in snow.
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InternetSAR.org: Volunteers collaboratively analyzing aerial and satellite imagery to assist in search and rescue efforts.
DISCUSS ACTIVE SEARCHES: Ron Boychuk in British Columbia, Canada & Steve Fossett in Nevada, USA
My blog posts on my MTurk search experience:
Using the Internet to Revolutionize Search and Rescue
Internet search for Steve Fossett eight weeks later
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Also, I think it would be nice to have some info on plane dimensions or a link to one on the internetsar.org site (For those not familiar with Cessnas). I've looked at <a href="www.airliners.net" target="_blank">Airliners.net</a> for info. I'm sure there are others.
Here is a link to some Cessna 172 specs.
http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20performance/Cessna/c172%20c175.htm
Thanks..I'll add that one to my list
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redlands19
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We need a confirmation from Revelstoke about Ron Boychuk refueling in this airport (NB: apart his (phone?) communication with his family, e.g. maybe he paid fuel by credit card and when), we must know at what time *exactly* he took off from Revelstoke (control tower report?).
I understood Ron Boychuk usually (always?) stopped at Salmon Arm for fueling and he was scheduled to stop in Salmon Arm. But... Apparently he refueled in Revelstoke which is very near. Why? Because he planned to take another route than Salmon Arm? This info *must* be clarified asap.
"Took off from Revelstoke at 2:00PM (14:00)" or "Refueled in Revelstoke at 3:05PM (15:05)" is absolutely not the same info. The apparent sunset october 23 in Vancouver/Nanaimo (possible error excepted, please someone else verify) was: 5:07PM (17:07) and if I have correctly understood, the mountains which are forwards, and the area around Vancouver international, are not exactly very pleasant at night. This info *must* be clarified, because it means a possible backtrack, even IMO a backtrack from Revelstoke to his starting point.
04:10 here, Goodnight America...
Sunset, weather etc
http://www.wunderground.com/history/stat...eq_statename=NA
Plus 3 rumint sites page 2 of forum, but guess you have already seen those.
Regards.
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Ken,
Could you check this overlay or whoever does this? It doesn't seem to match up with the old layer.
boychuk_071129-R1C2_23808_8448
tks
I think you will find this image set to be much better now. Don't tell the statistical police, but I'm using some serious fudge factors to line up imagery.
We are hoping that our new method for breaking apart imagery will allow future R series image sets to line up better.
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