Will_in_NC
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There is another theory that I see as absent here, at least as it applies to the "crater" locations on the Croatan National Forest in North Carolina. The lakes that you have pointed out as appearing as "craters" are currently in the center of a giant ecosystem consisting of raised bogs / peatlands known locally as Pocosin (AKA "Swamp on a Hill"). The theory as I understand it is that these raised swamps were created when a drainage was blocked by debris and water began to pool behind it and over a long period of time vegetation and organic matter built up creating raised swamps and soils that are organic in nature. The Pocosin vegetation is composed of lots of highly flamible plant material with lots of natural oils creating a sort of fire adapted ecosystm. In normal moisture years the above ground vegetation could burn and the organic soils would remain in place. In years of severe drought when the swamps were excessively dry the organic soils become available fuel and burned down into the ground. Our local belief is that there was a severe fire year, many years ago, and it burned the organic peat down to mineral soil (sand) and the vegetation and organic soils have never recovered, thus we have roundish or oval lakes. If you take into account the prevailing wind direction when we have summer fires (out of the east, south-east) you have some directionality of the way the fire would move and possibly why the lakes are shaped the way that they are shaped.
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AndyFlow
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Mr. Flores,
I can say without a doubt that your list is not one of meteorite craters, but sinkholes. Someone mentioned the "Devil's Millhopper" in the thread, and they were positively on the right track!
Much of the Southeast, and almost the entire peninsula of Florida, is geologically "karst" topography. This means the subsurface layers are not impermiable stone, but rather they are soft and porous limestone, allowing water to flow freely, and shape the underground rivers through it. that is, the aquifer is not confined. There are numerous limestone cave systems beneath the ground as a result, many accesssble through such sinkholes and springs.
The way they are formed is occasionally, an area of limestone gets worn away enough by the movement of subsurface water, and the ground below it collapses, and fills up with water from the aquifer below that helped form it. These water-filled, usually round, sinkholes are called "Karst windows." When I was in school in Tallahassee, there were a few in the woods that we would swim in, complete with rope swing and all. There is a park that is full of them just south of Tallahassee called the "Leon Sinks Geological Area" at 30.18.35/84.20.50.
Sometimes, the pressure in the aquifer in the collapsing spot is strong enough to cause the water to flow out in a spring. There is an amazing one at 27.3.35/18.15.37 called "Warm Mineral Springs" that has an ancient burial site below it - apparently from when the water level was lower.
So... you have one of the most comprehensive lists of sinkholes on Google Earth, but regretfully, few if any of them at all, were caused by stuff falling from space. The forces that formed them are at work right beneath our feet.
Andrew
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john2242b
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In reply, I offer the view of the Bays from altitude. You don't really have to have an eagle eye to see thousands of Bays of all sizes spread across the landscape, all oriented in the same direction. There is simply no way for these Bays to have formed in this shape and orientation from the burning of peat fires. Undoubtably, peat fires have burned in the Bays at times, but fire did not build the Bays.
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biged5275
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OK, not trying to crash the party, but I think I have some direction for the conversation. Virtually every single one of these is south and east of the ancient coastline that ran from macon to augusta to columbia to cheraw to raleigh - the present day Sandhills. Literally 99.99% are southeast of the "sand" in the Sandhills that was that ancient beach.
That leads me to believe it is some sort of natural phenomenon that had to do with the ancient sea or seabed. But, how interesting this all is! And they look really cool from above...
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Lawrence_Cahoon
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I can tell you very definitely that Lake Waccamaw, a Carolina Bay lake in southeastern North Carolina, is NOT an impact crater or basin formed by a tsunami. The lake is not more than 10,000 years old, is extremely shallow for its size (max depth ~ 12 feet), and is underlain by marine clay only 2-3 feet below the bottom. I know, I cored the lake in 1986 with my paleolimnologist colleague, Dr. Curt Stager. We published the results of that study in the Journal of the Elisha Mitchell Scientific Society in 1987. Our best guess on the formation of the Carolina bays is that they are wind ablation basins, much like playa lakes in west Texas and elsewhere. Impact craters have very different morphologies and tsunamis do not make elliptical basins.
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Hill
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Here's a link to that study.
Uniformatarianism ( or gradualism ) was the focus of most geological theories about the way the Earth changes over time for many years. This is an important bit of evidence countering the Creationist 6000 year old Earth hypothesis. And we can see those gradual processes in action over the surface of the Earth every day. In 1963 Eugene Shoemaker finally convinced the geological community that Barringer Crater in Arizona was of meteoric origin. Over the intervening years many more have been found, including Chicxulub Crater, now thought to be a major cause of the major extinction that caused the demise of dinosaurs. Catastrophic events are now believed to be interspersed with gradual events much more often than was believed over 20 years ago when the report was published.
From this this post , I refer to this quote from Science News:
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A host of unusual geological features, collectively known as Carolina Bays, hints at the cataclysm's location, says team member George A. Howard, a wetland manager at Restoration Systems, an environmental-restoration firm in Raleigh, N.C. Around 1 million of these elliptical, sand-rimmed depressions, measuring between 50 meters and 11 kilometers across, scar the landscape from New Jersey to Florida. In samples taken from 15 of the features, Howard and his colleagues found iridium-rich magnetic grains and carbon spherules with tiny diamond fragments similar to those found at Clovis archaeological sites.
The long axes of the great majority of the Carolina Bays point toward locations near the Great Lakes and in Canada—a hint that the extraterrestrial object disintegrated over those locales, says Howard.
Because scientists "haven't discovered a large, smoking hole" left by the event, the object that blew up in the atmosphere probably was a comet, says West.
This image is from a pdf file here.
Here is another report. Quote:
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Evidence for an extraterrestrial impact 12,900 years ago that contributed to the megafaunal extinctions and the Younger Dryas cooling R. B. Firestonea,b, A. Westc, J. P. Kennettd, L. Beckere, T. E. Bunchf, Z. S. Revayg, P. H. Schultzh, T. Belgyag, D. J. Kennetti, J. M. Erlandsoni, O. J. Dickensonj, A. C. Goodyeark, R. S. Harrish, G. A. Howardl, J. B. Kloostermanm, P. Lechlern, P. A. Mayewskio, J. Montgomeryj, R. Poredap, T. Darrahp, S. S. Que Heeq, A. R. Smitha, A. Stichr, W. Toppings, J. H. Wittkef, and W. S. Wolbachr aLawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, Berkeley, CA 94720; cGeoScience Consulting, Dewey, AZ 86327; dDepartment of Earth Sciences and eInstitute of Crustal Studies, University of California, Santa Barbara, CA 93106; fNorthern Arizona University, Flagstaff, AZ 86011; gInstitute for Isotope and Surface Chemistry, H-1525, Budapest, Hungary; hDepartment of Geological Sciences, Brown University, Providence, RI 02912; iDepartment of Anthropology and Museum of Natural and Cultural History, University of Oregon, Eugene, OR 97403; jEastern New Mexico University, Portales, NM 88130; kSouth Carolina Institute of Archaeology and Anthropology, University of South Carolina, Columbia, SC 29208; lRestoration Systems, LLC, Raleigh, NC 27604; mRozenstraat 85, 1018 NN, Amsterdam, The Netherlands; nBureau of Mines and Geology, University of Nevada, Reno, NV 89557; oClimate Change Institute, University of Maine, Orono, ME 04469; pUniversity of Rochester, Rochester, NY 14627; qDepartment of Environmental Health Sciences, University of California, Los Angeles, CA 90095; sP.O. Box 141, Irons, MI 49644; and rDepartment of Chemistry, DePaul University, Chicago, IL 60614 Communicated by Steven M. Stanley, University of Hawaii at Manoa, Honolulu, HI, July 26, 2007 (received for review March 13, 2007) A carbon-rich black layer, dating to 12.9 ka, has been previously identified at 50 Clovis-age sites across North America and appears contemporaneous with the abrupt onset of Younger Dryas (YD) cooling. The in situ bones of extinct Pleistocene megafauna, along with Clovis tool assemblages, occur below this black layer but not within or above it. Causes for the extinctions, YD cooling, and termination of Clovis culture have long been controversial. In this paper, we provide evidence for an extraterrestrial (ET) impact event at 12.9 ka, which we hypothesize caused abrupt environmental changes that contributed to YD cooling, major ecological reorganization, broad-scale extinctions, and rapid human behavioral shifts at the end of the Clovis Period. Clovis-age sites in North American are overlain by a thin, discrete layer with varying peak abundances of (i) magnetic grains with iridium, (ii) magnetic microspherules, (iii) charcoal, (iv) soot, (v) carbon spherules, (vi) glass-like carbon containing nanodiamonds, and (vii) fullerenes with ET helium, all of which are evidence for an ET impact and associated biomass burning at 12.9 ka. This layer also extends throughout at least 15 Carolina Bays, which are unique, elliptical depressions, oriented to the northwest across the Atlantic Coastal Plain. We propose that one or more large, low-density ET objects exploded over northern North America, partially destabilizing the Laurentide Ice Sheet and triggeringYDcooling. The shock wave, thermal pulse, and event-related environmental effects (e.g., extensive biomass burning and food limitations) contributed to end-Pleistocene megafaunal extinctions and adaptive shifts among PaleoAmericans in North America. comet iridium micrometeorites nanodiamonds spherules A carbon-rich black layer, dating to 12.9 ka (12,900 calendar years B.P.) (1), has been identified by C. V. Haynes, Jr. (2), at 50 sites across North America as black mats, carbonaceous silts, or dark organic clays [supporting information (SI) Fig. 5]. The age of the base of this black layer coincides with the abrupt onset of Younger Dryas (YD) cooling, after which there is no evidence for either in situ extinct megafaunal remains or Clovis artifacts. Increasing evidence suggests that the extinction of many mammalian and avian taxa occurred abruptly and perhaps catastrophically at the onset of the YD, and this extinction was pronounced in North America where at least 35 mammal genera disappeared (3), including mammoths, mastodons, ground sloths, horses, and camels, along with birds and smaller mammals. At Murray Springs, AZ, a well known Clovis site, mammoth bones and Clovis-age stone tools lie directly beneath the black layer where, as described by Haynes (4): ‘‘[T]he sudden extinction of the Pleistocene megafauna would be dramatically revealed by explaining that all were gone an instant before the black mat was deposited.’’
Edited by Hill (06/29/08 07:41 AM)
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GordonMoore
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Mr Andrew
I have to totally disagree with you. The probability that all of these abnormalities were formed in nearly exactly the same shape and lain out in exactly the same direction is almost zero if you are saying that they are simply sink hole bogs.
I also see on here where some are calling them hills. All you have to do is do an altitude check to see that the center of the formations has a lower altitude than that of its surroundings. There also seems to be a slight increase in altitude on the south eastern rims indicating that a angled impact could have created buildup on one side.
This is definately something worth investigating even on the ameteur level.
Lets not forget, these formations are seen in canada, russia, and areas of africa.
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GeoAnthro
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I was looking at google earth in southeastern NC and noticed a posting about carolina bays. It said that these geological features were of extraterrestrial origins. This is incorrect, I am an environmental scientist and native of North Carolina that has conducted extensive research on these features. The leading theory of their formation is the result of wind and water erosion and depostion. These wetlands fill with water in the winter and early spring when the dominant wind direction is from the southwest. This generates waves and the waves created the ovoid shape with elogation occuring perpendicular to the wind direction. In the late summer and early fall as these waterbodies often dry out the winds change direction and come from the northwest. This results in a parabolic eolian sand ridge along the southeastern shore. There is no evidence of meteor impact or any other extraterrestrial origin. The statement that these are craters is a wide spread myth that no credible geologist would acknowledge. In addition they range in ages from 15,000 to 100,000 years in age which suggest a geological process and not a cataclismitic event.
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GeoAnthro
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While the fires may explain how the depression were originally created the shape can not be attributed to fire. It must have occured by an erosion and deposition process
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