w1ll1m
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originated in Poland
closely related to the wild Tarpanhorse which died out
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AlexHumbolt
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Loc: France - Alps
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The resolution is low. Therefore, only white square pixels show on the picture. The length of each "animal" is approx 1,7 meters.
Can you develop your thought process concluding that the animals down there are wild horses ?
It will be a good find if you can bring some kind of evidence.
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Hill
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Loc: Southern California
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This seems to show that they are found in this area
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Oostvaardersplassen
This international marsh area is with the almost 6000 hectares the biggest marsh area of The Netherlands. The area is visit by a hundred-thousand birds during their journey. And also as a brood-, rest-, and moulting-area it is, for about 10.000 births, a very important marsh area. In the trees, bushes and woods you will find next to the birds all kind of insects and mammalia. Also you will find Heckcows, konick horses and red dears. Beneath the Knardijk there are two, free entrance, observations-cottages. There also is a visitors-centre where you find, next to all sorts of information, also routes.
From http://www.golelystad.nl/uk/sights.html
And this picture from http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/southeast/series1/wild-horses.shtml shows that they are of a light color.
So there is a possibility that is what those blocky pixels represent. Still, better resolution is needed to be sure of identification.
october 2005: konik horses, oostvaardersplassen, the netherlands
Another picture from www.ronnotramper.com
Edited by Hill (12/15/06 08:41 PM)
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w1ll1m
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in the summer of 2005
800 horses were counted
http://www.reneadelerhof.fotopic.net/p27510298.html
new groups of youngsters as this photo shows from there
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jkonink
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According to R.S. Summerhays_ past President of The Arab Horse Society, The National Pony Society and International Horse Judge and Aurthor of Encyclupaedia for Horsemen published the observations of Professor Janikowski printed in a article dated 1942.
Having the general name of Konik (meaning "small horse"...to some  I perfer a horse that is as mysteriest as the unicorn revealing the colours of truth when winter's white and hidden)
has many other names, such as Hucul, Zmudzin, Bilgoraj Koni(n)k.
The Bilgoraj Koni(n)k tobe a direct descendant of wild horses.
'His Ancestors lived in a wild state in the great forest of Bialowieza in Poland until the 18th century, when some of them were brought into private zoological park(s) near Bilgoraj, belonging to Count Zamoyski.
One winter at the beginning of the 19th century, when the cold was severe, the horses, until then living free, were capture and distributed among the peasants of the neighboring villages, by whom they were tamed and crossed-bred with the local mouse-grey peasant ponies; though a considerable number of them retained the pure blood of their wild ancestors.'
In 1936 attempts were made by Professor Vetulani of Poznan University to breed the "forest horse" back to its original wild state, thus National Parks were created. The breed itself has remarkable property, possessed by certain other animals, such as the hare, grouse, ect., of turning white in winter, a characteristic unusual in the horse  a defense against enemies.
Every winter they changed their mousey summer coats, with the dark dorsal stripes, into white coats, only the face, fetlocks, mane, and tail retaining the normal dark colour. Which occures with some whom inherited this chatarteristic of changing, graze among the bogs. The grey inherited from the mouse-grey peasant horse which isn't always present in the wild horse.
Another type being a cousin called the Mierzyn, which means a medium horse between two sizes, usually 13 to 14 hands. The 'small' being compensated by their outstanding qualites of hardiness, endurance, ability to live on next to nothing, vitality and great fertility, which they always transmit unimpaired to their progeny.
In the Baltic states also there is a very popular horse called the "Konik horse of the trotter type", which is, in fact, a working horse. It is derived from a small native horse graded-up durning many generations by trotter stallions. This breed represents a medium-size , tough and good-tempered working horse, and is held in high esteem for its hardiness, endurance, speed and unexacting food requirments. In short, their virtues are the result of the vigorous upbringing in svere climatic conditions,
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jkonink
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Continuation of the "forest horse"...
The Tarpan ( the spelling tobe Tarban...no 'p' in the arabic alphabet, tar meaning 'fly'..maybe 'near to'?. A possiblity that 'pan' in the word Tarpan is in reference to 'faunus' without the goat's legs and horns, a patron of beekeepers, fishermen, hunters and shepards, and emblam of flocks, forest and wild life, and the "Fir" tree being sacred )-( And since were on the subject of names...the name Konink is derived of Koning being of Konig that all Royal Crowns are born, Germany/Deutschland! The 'ig' in runic meaning intuitive and instinctively inherited through the blood-lines. Koning taken to represent the family name in 1113 A.D. by the first King of Denmark, besides representing those of The Royal Palace(s) [Pharoah in egyptian] Family emblam and statice being the Crown, being the Right in reference to Al Bar/r the Rightous being the Law it self recognized as The World Tribunal home in Koninkrijk der Netherlands of Her Majesty Queen Betrix.
The ink in reference to the 'pen' Surah 96 the Koran, and word of scripture of Biblical thought represented as the "Truth".)
The breed Tarpan was the primitive wild North European horse of the "Forest" type, originally indigenous to Southern Russia, Poland and Hungary, and which became extinct (like the Monarchies of the regions) many years ago. They came into being with the crossing of the "Forest" horse ( a primitive Exmoor-like animal also found in America ), which moved south at the onset of the Ice Age, and the southern horse of Arabian type. Whereas the yellow Przevalski was the wild horse of the steppes and deserts, the greyish Tarpan was the wild horse of the plains and woods, and though of primitive type, was far less heavy in conformation and with a much more attractive head.
The distinguished German Zoologist and Director of the Berlin Zoo, Professor Lutz Heck, noticed that the occasionally among the Koni(n)ks pale mousy foal was born, in colour and type an exact replica of the vanished Tarpan. In 1932 experimenting with Przevalski stallions and mouse-coloured Konik mares. By the second generation a Tarpan foal was born, and by strict selection this Pzevalski influence was corrected and now years later, the Tarpan is breeding true to type. X-ray photo-graphs of skulls, teeth, leg bones and vertebrae, can be seen in the archives of Herr Eberhard Trumler at Munich, confirm that these ponies are true Tarpans, exactly similar to those which died and left only their bones to show us what they looked liked.
The Tarpan today is a 12 hand tall pony of a yellowish grey-mouse colour with black legs and tail, whitish belly, dark dorsal stripe and light upright mane with a black stripe down the centre.
[Equus caballus (sounds like Kabala Kaba ...The United Kingdom of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, has the ancient emblam of the horse inbedded in the ground located somewhere in England...could mean 'blessed place' , 'sacred' ? Especially for those whom were run out of their territory and worst being capture, and Kabal having also the meaning "to recieved" and "take") gmellini] [Equus caballas...is a Zebra...found on the continent of Africa where Egypt is located, birth place of those of the Pharoah meaning those of the Royal Palace as you know !...could be the breed which couldn't decide which colour tobe and is of both  white reperesenting 'Zero' which has no beginnings or end and is continueous as 'Eternity' and 'infinite' of the heavens that was before creative energy of man repesented as the colour of black and numerological number 1, meaning Alif/Alef, God/Man...Hebrew and Muslims beginnings being Egypts's 'End' that is always evolving as the Law has shown MAN and his world ]
Names of other cousins that are related to the previous breeds mention, such as the Hungarian Shagya bred with Arab, Turkish and Persian stallions being about 15 hands tall being used for saddle and harness. In 1918 were imported to Poland, are also known for best light cavalry horse.
Tarpan could also mean in reference being "near to" Tartar(s) [ Genghis Khan relates], of Mohammedan and Turic tribes, which the Zemaitukas of Lithuania are a cross of a Tartar pony of the breds mention earlier and the Arab brought by invading Teutonic Knights from Western Europe. The Zemaitukas prevailing colour is dun, with light tail and mane; mouse colour is also found and , more rarely, bay. All have a dark dorsal stripe (eel stripe)extending to tail, and is any where to 13 to 15 hands tall is known as the toughest of the breeds among the horse and pony.
I like knowing things thoroughly ; I like the same for others.
Edited by jkonink (08/23/08 02:40 PM)
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