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Re: US Warships - task for JumbOracle [Re: Jumble]
      #11820 - 09/20/04 10:47 AM

Thanks, your Jumbness!

But tell me: how did the New Jersey grow to an impressive 152.9 smoots (+/- an earwig) simply by moving from the Reserve yard to Camden? And if Philly has been updated, (and it certainly has) why is this mystery ship, this Keyhole Flying Dutchman, still in the Reserve Basin?

I'd have been great as a sub captain (except for the claustrophobia and all). I would have set a new sub standard.

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Re: US Warships - task for JumbOracle [Re: Jdbo]
      #11822 - 09/20/04 12:10 PM

Captain Jed:Your measurement at ships present location is close to the official Smoots listed by USN for this vessel, and this is standard length in Smoots for Iowa class Battleships. I am at work with no access to EV so I can't look at your "Flying Dutchman". However, it is quite possible that during refitting the "New Jersey" had to lose a few Smoots for contruction purposes, and then these smoots were replaced after the original photo.

Also, considering it's the Navy, it is likely that the Smoot standard, a la MIT, was misapplied by the bureaucracy, which did not go back to the standard post Viet Nam Smoot

as a reference when converting old ships to dockside museums!

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Re: US Warships - task for JumbOracle [Re: Jumble]
      #11829 - 09/20/04 08:25 PM

Well, I can't find the smootage for this Heavy Gun Cruiser, the USS Chicago, but it clearly is a doozie:


AND there's another shape similar to this in storage at Bremerton. Links later.

This ship was built over in Camden just as was the New Jersey. It was converted in the 1960's to a Missile Cruiser.

So, is the mysterious Keyhole Flying Dutchman one of these?

Stay tuned!

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Re: US Warships - task for JumbOracle [Re: Jumble]
      #11830 - 09/20/04 08:33 PM

Smoots or Snots.... I'm still a little old fashioned and prefer FEET.

Iowa Class Battlewagons {USS Iowa (BB-61), USS New Jersey (BB-62), USS Missouri (BB-63), USS Wisconsin (BB-64)} are supposed to be 887 FEET long. And as you can plainly see in this thread the Iowa (which all others are measured by) is 887 feet long.

So, why is this ship only 715 FEET long? Also it seems a bit narrower in the beam.

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Re: US Warships - task for JumbOracle [Re: Lrae]
      #11831 - 09/20/04 08:38 PM

Just so, OracleRay. Too short, narrow at the beam, no "bulb" bow, and a square stern.

But then what the heck is it?

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Re: US Warships - EUREKA! [Re: Jdbo]
      #11832 - 09/20/04 09:24 PM

I found it. It was a cruiser, the USS Des Moines CA-134 (called the "Daisy Mae").


It has been in the Reserve Basin in Philly for over 30 years, but may be moving to the waterfront in Milwaukee.

Read all about it.

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Re: US Warships - EUREKA! [Re: Jdbo]
      #11834 - 09/20/04 09:45 PM

Great work Jediguy!! Only you could answer your own question. I, the Philly guy, could not pull it off. Lrae was probably only moments away. You deserve a cruise!! ...and why not ID all the ships in the Philadelphia Navy Shipyard?

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Re: US Warships - task for JumbOracle [Re: Lrae]
      #11835 - 09/20/04 09:47 PM

Ah ha... Found it...
USS Des Moines and more.



Well, that's what I get for leaving the stupid computer for a movie... and coming back to my post and then finding other answers after mine, but before I hit the enter key...

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Re: US Warships - task for JumbOracle [Re: Jdbo]
      #11838 - 09/20/04 11:35 PM

Perhaps they took it the long way around, cruising the Gulf Stream for a bit.. the warmer water would have heated the steel, which expanded..

nahhh.. never mind..


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Re: US Warships - task for JumbOracle [Re: Lrae]
      #11839 - 09/20/04 11:38 PM

Exactly how many snots are there to a foot?

And no, I'm not going to line any up to find out for myself..



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"Nobody is interested in solutions if they don't think there's a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous (global warming) is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are..." -former Vice President Al Gore, Grist Magazine, May 9, 2006

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