Thameen_Darby
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Hello
This is a grand post. I have spent the last few days assimilating this database.
For those interested in history, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, the Middle East, human rights, or refugees , this place mark may be of interest to them.
In the aftermath of the 1948 war between the Arabs and the Israelis, 800,000 Palestinians were deported, or fled, their native villages in Palestine where they lived for thousands of years. They became refuges since then. Their villages, around 700 of them, were subsequently destroyed totally or partially.
The issue of these refuges and their right to their native land remains the major obstacle to achieve a long desired peace between the Israelis and Palestinians in the Middle East's long and bitter conflict.
The post contains a list of the hundreds of destroyed Arab villages, classified by district. With links to websites that give further more detailed information about the particular village or town.
A list of the existing Arab villages and towns in the 1948 area and the 1967 area is available in another post on this community under the title "Existing Arab Localities in Mandate Palestine".
It has been a tedious work since I did not find the coordinates of the destroyed villages in one place. So I had to collect them from here and there.
Please email me for any corrections of coordinates or any updates. <thameen@hotmail.com>
Thameen Darby
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Lifta- A partially destroyed village in the Jerusalem district.
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Some Palestinians leaving their village in 1948.
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A refugee girl tending to her sick grandfather.
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Edited by Thameen_Darby (09/14/06 01:10 PM)
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fkhateeb
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Hello
WOW. This is an amazing post. Thank you very much for opening the eyes of people to this great tragedy that happened to the Palestinian people. Few people understand the gravity of 800,000 people being forcibly uplifted from their land and literally forced to live in tents.
I too, actually had been working on the exact same post for some time now. I had finished the districts of Yafa, al-Ramla, Tulkarm, Acre, Nazareth, and Beersheba. I was using palestineremembered.com also to find where the towns were, but it proved to be kind of unreliableas it only noted where the towns are by the distance and direction from the district center.
My relatives were also refugees. My mother's family was forced to leave Yaffa in 1948 and flee to Amman. My father's family was forced to leave Bayt Nabala (al-Ramla district) also in 1948 and move to the Jalzone refugee camp in the West Bank. Both of my parents were born after the war on 1948 so they were both born refugees. Not many people know that the plight of the Palestinians does not end with them leaving Palestine. Going from place to place and not being welcomed anywhere is just some of what the Palestinians had to go through.
I did notice a problem with your post, though. You have Yaffa under the Acre district. Thought you might wanna fix that.
Thanks again.
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Gerardo64
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Hi Thameen_Darby
Excellent post. People canīt love what they donīt know, so your work is necessary.
Thanks for sharing this.
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TOPlanner
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There were also hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees who were forced to flee Arab lands at the very same time, but this is not reflected in your posting. Perhaps someone should take the time to geographically document the many Jewish communities throughout the Arab world that no longer exist in order to provide some balance.
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barryannarbor
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The author of these placemarks has a definite bias and a purpose, which is to delegitimize the entire state of Israel. His sources are one-sided, and his description of events promotes his own agenda. This is, of course, one of the strengths or weaknesses of community maintened information sources - whoever can post material is free to do so, with no verification or editorial oversight.
1) The author of the placemarks fails to mark any Jewish settlements. His own reference material clearly notes dozens of locations, but from his presentation, one would assume that the entire area that now comprises Israel was devoid of any Jews, whatsoever.
2) The author's source material presents only one side's revisionist view of the 1948 war. For example, one would assume that the Arab armies conducted no military operations during the war. This ignores Arab assaults on Israeli settlements, and Israeli casualities.
3) He refers to the 1948 war as Al-Nakba (the Catastrophe) - a war viewed by Israeli's in a different light. Arab armies did march against Israel, attempting to destroy the State in its infancy.
4) The author attempts to state that all of the villages marked on the map were wiped out due to "ethnic cleansing." Some villages were evacuated during the course of the war (one of the miserable results of war is civilians being displaced), others due to aggression. The author chooses not to refer to the large number of Jews displaced from Arab countries. So, were the Jews of Eygpt, Morocco, Yemen, Iraq, Iran, and other nations ethnically cleansed?
Google Earth could become the location of yet another propaganda battle. Carefully consider the bias of the posts author and what he is trying to accomplish.
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Myron_J
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I am a settler, on the West Bank in Kfar Etzion..a Jewish settlement, on land (purchased by Jews before 1948) that was to become part of Palestine in 1948.
I think the original post is biased, but legitamently so. It shows one perspective..in a powerful but fair way.
The original poster admits that refugees were either forced out OR FLED..We too must admit to both these possibilities and also recognize that our War of Independance was a catastrophe for the Palestinians..one that did not have to happen if Partitioin would have been accepted by the Arab World.
And we too have done wrongs. Some out of fear, or in the heat of battle, or due to need created by the rejectionism of our neighbors...or through moral insensitivity..We can not ignore our moral insensitivity.
Israel has a right to Exist! As does Palestine. There has been too much suffering. We must learn to see theirs, even if we are not totally responsible...and we must realize that we are part of the game that has created the suffering.
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Thameen_Darby
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1472 downloads 
I'm happy
Thameen
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Thameen_Darby
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Dear TOPlanner
I agree 100%.
I wish I had time to do the layer of former Jewish resident areas in the Arab world. But I do not. I wish some one takes on the task.
I am interested in this and it will be an interesting layer to see.
Thameen
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Thameen_Darby
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Dear barryannarbor
This layer is not about politics.
The scope of this layer is very well defined. This layer is about the arabic twons and villages and beduin localities that were destroyed after the 1948 war.
Although I'm not willing to talk politics here, but I like to respond to your points that you raised:
1. I did not mark jewish settlements, because tghis is not the subject of this layer, and they are include by default in GE. If you zoom close enough you can see any existing town or localities in Israel.
If you mean to include the Jewish settlements in the wake of the 1948 war. I think that is a brilliant idea. Lets make a layer of the Jewish communities in the 1948 and add it to this layer. That will be brilliant. Plz do it.
If you are interested in Jewish localities afected by the 1948 war, or other aspects of that era, why not make a layer that adds to the richness of GE?
2. I did not include any information about the war per se. It is outside the scope of this layer. I just put the placemarks of the destroyed localities. GE is not a history book, It is a dynamic map. Any one interested in history can go back to history books.
3. Al Nakba does not refer to the 1948 war. This war is called 'The 48 War", or the "war of independence". But the term Nakba refers to breakdown of the palestinian comunity that resulted from this war and the plight of the refugees that resulted from this. This layer simply showes the places of the villages and twons where these refugees came from. So in the context of the plight of the refugees, Al nakba is a suitable term.
4. This layer does not mention the cause of the displacement of the refugees. I was careful in writing the introduction not to poin fingures. This is a complex subject that needs long articles to analyse. It is outside GE context.
The displacement of Jews from Arab countries is another subject that warrants another project by itself.
Why do not you work on this project, it will be a great addition to GE. I'll try do it when I have time if no one does it. But needs lots of preparation.
I think it would be more constructive if we try build more comprehensive projects and not only give passive cretisizm. Collective additions is what makes GE great.
I suggest that we need to work on two projects:
1. The Jewish localities in 1948.
2. The Jewish Localities in the Arab countried pre 1967.
3. The 1948 war events.
All the best,
Thameen
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webnut2000
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I agree with you barryannarbor.
The remark of ethnic cleansing is a complete lie. Israel did not force anyone out.
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Jordanian daily, Filastin (Feb. 19, 1949): "The Arab States...encouraged the Palestinians to leave their homes, temporarily, not interfering with the invading Arab armies." Khaled al-Azam, Syrian Prime Minister in 1949 (memoirs, 1973): "We brought destruction upon the refugees, by calling on them to leave their homes." London Economist (Oct. 2, 1948): "The most potent of the factors [in the flight] were announcements made by the Palestinian-Arab Higher Committee, urging all Haifa Arabs to quit, intimating that those remaining would be regarded as renegades." Arab over-confidence prior to the war (600,000 Jews vs. 27, 000,000 Arabs) was crashed by defeat, intensifying the flight of Arabs.
Almost 200,000 refugees left BEFORE the large scale war erupted in May 1948, while the Arabs had the upper hand! Arabs left Haifa and Jaffa, while British troops were still there, pleading with them to stay.
The British Mandate ordered Arabs and Jews to evacuate towns, where they were a minority. Arabs left (e.g. Tiberias), with encouragement of Arab countries, while Jews remained (e.g. Safed and its Arabs of Algerian origin). Arab evacuation - and the fall of Abd al-Kader al-Husseini in the Castel battle - was highlighted by Arab media, triggering a Domino Effect of further evacuations.
"Arab leaders were responsible for the [Arab] flight, disseminating exaggerated rumors of Jewish atrocities, in order to incite the Arabs, thus instilling fear in the hearts of the Palestinians." (Jordanian daily, al-Urdun, April 9, 1953). Ismayil Safwat, Commander of Palestinian Operations (March, 1948): "The Jews haven't attacked any Arab village, unless attacked first."
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The "author" also refers to placemarks in the middle of the desert , where no human has ever lived (or lives today).
There are no signs of any buildings (or ruins) on those placemarks from any period whatsoever. With the new resolution you would be able to see it.
I rest my case.
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