Villaman
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This post have been moved from HERE from the environment and conversation forum.
We are releasing the Leviathan by pumping back the sleeping carbon beneath the ages to the atmosphere. First the disasters will multiply as you (blt in his original thread) mentioned. When due to the higher temperature heavy rains will shower our forests and the plants will assimilate the carbon in excess, the number of organic compaunds in the planet will increase. If there are more element in the system then the system becomes more complex. A complex nature can due much more harm to mankind as we now can sense. I wonder how much time could Adam and Eva spend in the world of the dinosaurs? Maybe minutes. As we are pushing back (the soul of the dragons) the carbon to the atmosphere the nature will become more complex, You can already see the changes in the appearance of new kind of allergies to different pollens which is possibly a heritage of an ancient crude world long before Adam and Eva were exiled to this planet.
I don't think that the stolen knowledge from the tree can save us. Only love, unity and peace. I mean this three in context with our environment also.
How many people should die before politicians act?
1000?
10 000?
Entire cultures?
Who knows?
READ FURTHER IN FLAT!
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Moved this out of the Environment forum, as it was totally taking the original post off topic.
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Villaman
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Global warming, hurricanes, heavy rains: are shareing roots. If the world's carbon dioxide production don't decrease we won't have to wait long for a biological reply.
Bacteria live on sugar mainly. Think of the childrens teeth if they eat much sugar, than bacteria will multiply in their mouth. After the colonization, microorganisms began to destroy the human tissue by toxic byproducts. This can happen with our planet. If algae assimilate the CO2 excess in the air than there will be more sugar in our waters. And of course there will be more water in the air due to intensive evaporation caused by the global climate change. The global temperature will rise. Heavy winds will set afloate the spores and bateria colonies. With one sentence: The environment will be perfect for a fast bacterial evolution.
I think if we talk about global warming we have to share thoughts about the biological aspect also.
Nice grimace of fate :
The complex animal wich can tolerate bacteria the most efficiently in our present ecosystem are the crocodiles and aligators. Crocodiles are the closest progeny to dinosaurs. Maybe their time is near again.
Edited by Villaman (04/05/07 04:24 AM)
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Villaman
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Could somebody explain to me where are the other replies gone from this thread? 
My precious is gone:
The conversation about the infernal internal combustion engine
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heamit
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That's very strange!
Have you posted a query in the Open Forum? Or perhaps send a PM to a moderator?
It was a good thread from memory. Was it also the one that had that cool drawing of a light bulb?
I hope you get to the bottom of it soon!
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Villaman
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Hi Heamit! 
Thanks for your kind attention. What I feared had happened:
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/807299/page/0/vc/1
Because of Chief Sparky the thread had been chopped down.
No problem, now we have the joy to rebuild this thread. Any contributions are more than welcome!
I like the artwork of syzygy too. I hope he put the bulb back here decorated with his thoughts.
I hope this discussion will flare up!
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heamit
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That is not right!
The messages must be archived somewhere (not ChiefSparky's if he chose to delete them) and must be retrievable!
I will PM a moderator.
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syzygy
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hey guys! do not be nervous! not at least for this 3rd ranked drawing from grammar school...
11 years ago, southern hungarian electric power provider (DÉMÁSZ) wrote out a tender for middle schools and i had 45 minutes to vomit this one to paper...
 the drawing represents the modern world faded into dark without electricity, but gives some hope and advise with the candle.
(or could it be a burial candle above the world has been died in loss of electricity...?)
by the way, these days i think mankind should not speak about any kind of hope or absolution for the sins been made, but besides stop doing more harm and peep down inside, should prepare for the consequences.
all should to hear the 70 years old farmers who changed nothing in their everyday's process of their lives till now, but they prepare for groving "desert cultures" on the land of our beautiful carpathian basin.
as my grandma says time to time: "the huge world has turned out of it's axis!"
i have always listened to the old one's wiseness and i will keep on till fall...
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heamit
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Hi syzygy! Thank your for reposting your drawing! I really like it! 
Quote:
i have always listened to the old one's wiseness and i will keep on till fall...
Wise words indeed!
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dgt
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There is a consensus of scientist that we are the cause... In the context of science, "consensus" is not a very useful concept. Given the scientific method, hypotheses are tested and supported or falsified. "Consensus" is politics or religion, not credible science. The success of an experiment is observed, not voted on.
"Global Warming" appears to be a fact. No creditable person or scientist denies it. The "Cause" of it is the highly debatable problem. Do humans contribute to it? Yes, cavemen contributed to it just by being alive and producing body heat. We contribute more now, but how much is pure conjecture.
Just because 500 scientist agree, doesn't make it true.
"A thousand years ago the world was as warm as it is now. Greenland was named during this period. In between then and now, it was a lot colder, often termed the "little ice age". So, global warming over the last 500 years is a fact, but the determination of how much warming we have had depends very much on which data points you select. Think back to so many of the headlines citing "warmest in 1,000 years". In fact, it is little warmer today than just 100 years ago, although it is much warmer today than 30 years ago. Pick your poison." - wes_h
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no_stranger
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The Experiment.
You will like this. 
A couple of weeks ago, two of my Grandchildren came to me and said "heh poppy, mum told us to come and see you and ask if you could tell us all about this Global Warming deal" " OK, but it might take a while " I told them.
These little tackers just love practical demonstrations, so I started to think of what I could do to entertain them as I started telling them about the history of the planet.
Practical demonstrations mostly always start with a trip to poppys back shed and workshop, so the little ones were instantly hooked and more than happy to put up with what they knew was going to be a long winded and probably boring explanation of this thing called 'Global Warming'.
Bingo, it all came to me as soon as I spotted the old white polystyrene float attached to the now dissused crab trap. We had a little geography lesson as we drew all the countries on it with different coloured textas and then finished it off with the imaginery lines of the equator, tropics and polar lines. Actually , it looked quite good after the kids finished the colouring in. We stuck a bit of old plastic conduit through the hole in the centre of it and there it was, a perfect model of the earth ! complete with handleable axis. It surprised me how quickly we were able to cover our model with ice by commandeering Grandmas deep freezer and spinning the earth in a bowl of chilled water, every ten minutes or so another layer of ice formed on the earth before our very eyes. While the earth was going through the final stages of getting the last of the ice ages applied we went in search of the sun,,, what better than the old gas heater that was tucked away in that department of the shed.
All set, the gas heater fired up, a couple of seats set up around a plastic bucket in front of the gas heater, all we had to do to commence the experiment was to remove the earth from the ice age generator.
Nothing like a bit of audience participation to keep up the interest levels, so we all took turns in holding and rotating our frozen model earth just in front of our substitute gas fired sun.
Well, it didn't take long before the ice started melting, and as we couldn't replicate the earths gravitational pull, the plastic bucket positioned underneath certainly was handy as the rapidly warming ice turned into water and dripped away. It was truely amazing to watch as the middle part of the earth, as it was closest to the gas heater, melt away first, exposing the equator and colourful parts of the countries that the kids had previously drawn. The longer we rotated the earth in front of the heater, the further the ice receded and melted away from the centre until eventually all that was left of the ice layer was a couple of bits at either end of our earth. At this stage it was quite evident that the centre was warmish to touch while the two ends still were quite cold as the ice was still there. Our experiment came to an abrupt end when like trying to hastily eat an icecream on a stick on a hot day,,,, the end bits unceremoniously dropped off and splashed into the bucket of warm water !
I thought that I had done well to show the kids this practical demonstration, and suggested that we go and try a similar experiment with an icecream on a stick,,, when the questions started !
" but Poppy, that can't be what's causing Global Warming,,, if us humans stop doing all the bad things we do, global warming will stop, won't it ? "
" Poppy, can we make another one with volcanos and bushfires and everything on it ? "
and you'll really like this one,,,
" heh Poppy, now that we've finished that demo , can we stick a penny bomb in it and go out back to see what happens ? "

(Credit; GrinningPlanet, Mark Jeantheau)
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