wildslide
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And here's a pair of them. Measure them and you will see they are 13m right whales. I know this area well.
Edited by wildslide (10/15/06 09:58 PM)
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wildslide
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There are many southern right whales visible along this stretch of coastline, including cows with calves and whales stirring up sand trails in the shallow water. Just south of my mark appears to be a rare white calf (about 5% of baby right whales are born mostly white instead of the typical black).
Peninsula Valdes is a recognized breeding area for this species.
Whoever hadn't been able to find a REAL whale on Google Earth can't have been looking very hard!!
Edited by wildslide (10/15/06 10:05 PM)
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danescombe
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wildslide congrats  The First GEC Member to find a Whale

I had previously looked around the Head of the Bight where i have seen with my own eyes SRW coming right up to the cliffs to suckle their calfs. I have posted placemarks around Frasier Island QLD -that look very much like Humpacks--but your finds leave no doubt.
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tbranch
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The key was the very recent posting of high quality images for Peninsula Valdez. Previously only poor quality images were available for this particular region.... and yes, I'd been looking!
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danescombe
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Mexican Coast Grey Whale Pod. Mother & Calf migrating south . Another pair 100 metres SSW
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Hill
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Super find, danescombe. The largest is about 45' long. Location and size would suggest that these are Gray Whales , which breed and give birth in certain lagoons in Baja California, Blue Whales in this part of the world usually are found off Central California. The Santa Barbara Channel is their preferred hangout. They are up to 2+ times the length of Grays.
I added 6 more pods of whales nearby. There may well be others.
This is a Digital Globe image, and is dated February 23, 2006. This is about the time Gray Whale mothers and calfs should be heading back North . Maybe they are doing a bit of sightseeing...
Edited by Hill (12/20/07 09:05 PM)
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danescombe
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Thanks for the heads up
Your addition is quite remarkable --
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patatje
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hello..this is really a nice find....nature can be so beautifull!!!! very well done!!! greetings from Belgium
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Hill
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"White House officials for more than a year have blocked a rule aimed at protecting endangered North Atlantic right whales by challenging the findings of government scientists, according to documents obtained by the Union of Concerned Scientists.
The documents, which were mailed to the environmental group by an unidentified National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration official, illuminate a struggle that has raged between the White House and NOAA for more than a year. In February 2007, NOAA issued a final rule aimed at slowing ships traversing some East Coast waters to 10 knots or less during parts of the year to protect the right whales, but the White House has blocked the rule from taking effect.
North Atlantic right whales, whose surviving population numbers fewer than 400, are one of the most endangered species on Earth, and scientists have warned that the loss of just one more pregnant female could doom the species. Some shipping companies have opposed the NOAA proposal, saying slowing their vessels will cost the industry money. Quote:
The remains of a North Atlantic Right Whale after it collided with a boat propeller.
Image and caption from Wikipedia
The documents, which House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) released yesterday, show that the White House Council of Economic Advisers and Vice President Cheney's office repeatedly questioned whether the rule was needed. Waxman, who sent a letter to the White House asking for an explanation, said the exchange "appears to be the latest instance of the White House ignoring scientists and other experts."
In one document, the Council of Economic Advisers questioned "the reliability of analysis in the published literature on which NOAA is basing its position." The council conducted its own analysis and concluded that "the relationship between [vessel] speed and [whale] injury . . . may not be as strong of a relationship as is suggested in published papers."
NOAA scientists were not swayed, writing in response, "The basic facts remain that (1) there is a direct relationship between speed and death/serious injury, and (2) at vessel speeds at or below 10 knots the probability of death/serious injury is greatly reduced."
A separate document reveals that Cheney's staff argued "that we have no evidence (i.e., hard data) that lowering the speeds of 'large ships' will actually make a difference." NOAA again fired back, writing that there was "no basis to overturn our previous conclusion that imposing a speed limit on large vessels would be beneficial to whales."
Since NOAA initially proposed the regulation, at least three right whales have died from ship strikes and two have been wounded by propellers."
From the Washington Post
More about Northern Right Whales from Wikipedia.
Learning more about Northern Right Whales.
VIDEOS of Northern Right Whales.
Also, refer to this thread by danescombe about whale protection zones.
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danescombe
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Shocking
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Muzammil_Hussain
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oh my god, that is so sad...
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Groovy23
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Hi Hill and all
I thought this would be of interest:
The 'value' of protecting whales
As opponents of whaling agree to seek an arrangement with countries who still hunt, Richard Black at the International Whaling Commission meeting in Chile reflects on our relationship with whales and with nature in general.
A couple of years ago, reports of an imaginary conversation between President George Bush and a top adviser were doing the rounds on e-mail between people who, like me, love a bit of satire in their daily life.
In it, the president asks, "Who's the president of China?"
The adviser replies, "Yes, Hu's the president of China", which Hu Jintao indeed is.
The president comes back with, "That's what I'm asking you, who's the president of China?"
And the conversation goes round and round like this until the adviser suggests sending for Kofi, as in Kofi Annan, then the UN secretary general.
"Yes, let's have some coffee," the president replies.
The 'right' whale
As I was preparing for the whaling commission meeting, I found something similar on the website of a pro-whaling campaign group - yes, such organisations do exist - which imagined Mr Bush and Condoleezza Rice discussing the right whale.
These huge beasts originally got their name because they swam slowly and floated after being killed, making them the right whales to hunt.
Right whales have not been hunted for years now, but the North Atlantic species is probably heading for extinction because ships - notably US ones - keep colliding with them.
So the campaign group, the High North Alliance from northern Norway, imagines Ms Rice taking the right whale's plight to her boss:
"How can we save these critters?" asks the president.
Ms Rice replies: "Well, sir, we'll have to shut down lots of US shipping, dramatically reduce speed limits, restrict vessels to areas that are really inconvenient and spend millions of dollars in research to see how we can build up the population of these whales."
At which Mr Bush concludes: "The right whale? Sounds like the wrong whale to me, Condi. Go criticise those Japanese some more."
The 'forgotten' whale
To the High North Alliance, the US is guilty of hypocrisy. It wants to save some whales at the right price. But, once the price becomes too high, once shipping or climate change enter as threats, the right whale quickly becomes the wrong whale.
A similar charge is laid by some at Australia, which in recent years has gone humpback-whale-crazy.
As whale-watching has grown, this charmingly ugly acrobat of the oceans has apparently become a national totem equal in rank to Kylie Minogue, Shane Warne and ice-cold beer.
Nothing aroused Aussie anger so much as Japan's plan to add humpbacks to their annual Antarctic hunt.
"They're our humpbacks," was the cry.
Politicians raged, newspapers thundered, activists campaigned.
What was lost in the mix was that Japan had also started targeting fin whales, which are more threatened than humpbacks. But, because the fins carried no value in Australia, they were forgotten.
Question of value
I was not the only one to find this disturbing. Some conservation groups felt it too.
What was the campaign for? For whales or for whales' value to humans?
And what form does that value take?
Over the past few years, environment groups have been pushing the argument that whale-watching is much more profitable than whale hunting, and that the two are incompatible.
Now, I understand the logic of trying to make the anti-whaling argument in economic terms but where does that leave species that do not perform for tourists, like the poor fins?
Do whales become just a resource to be preserved if they are of use to us?
The question of how we value nature is going to become much bigger politically over the next few years.
Nature's balance sheet
There is a major research project under way aiming to quantify the costs and benefits of nature in human economic terms.
It is modelled on the Stern Review that finally made economic ministries wake up to the issue of climate change.
The natural world processes our waste, provides our water and gives us the root material for our farming.
If governments can see how much this is worth, perhaps they will put money into protecting these resources.
But here is a thought. What happens to a hypothetical piece of marshland that supports rare birds but also disease-carrying insects?
If we conclude that the insects' costs to society are higher than the birds' benefits, does it become legitimate to drain the marsh and send the birds to extinction?
I do not have answers to any of this. Certainly, across the world, nature is crumbling under human hands and, if expressing that in dollars and euros and pounds and yen can halt the slide, then by all means give it a try.
But, as I look out from my window at the snow-capped hills surrounding Santiago, I cannot help feeling that we risk losing what nature is if we couch its value in human terms.
Whales are about more than profits from eco-tourism or the costs of slowing down ships.
They are part of nature's balance sheet, not ours.
Valuing nature in dollar terms might result in the right whale being saved. It's unlikely to do anything for the wrong whale.
Source: BBC
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