MercZ
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ok,
by the way, i'm sorry for my bad english.. 
It's no problem, I can understand. Thank you for your understanding.
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MercZ
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People, please listen to this. For the last time, I'm showing Kurdish Cultural Regions and Cities, not outlining a Kurdish State. I appreciate your concern, and please know that I'm not doing that here. I do not want a political fight here.
It's Kind of hard to believe that over a 1000 people have downloaded this, yet few have left any comments. I don't really mind if you don't like it or have something against it- I appreciate constructive criticism.
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Edited by MercZ (12/29/05 10:34 PM)
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Sirous_Nekooei
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I appreciate constructive criticism.
Although your posts are informative, I think there is a kind of racial concern in it...
In todays world, many races live together in a country respectfully. Nobody will be benefited of separatist thoughts.
rgds,
Sirous
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MercZ
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I appreciate constructive criticism.
Although your posts are informative, I think there is a kind of racial concern in it...
In todays world, many races live together in a country respectfully. Nobody will be benefited of separatist thoughts.
rgds,
Sirous
I'm not trying to imply separitism or racist thoughts. If I had been implying a separtist thoughts, I would've called the PKK terrorists "heroes" or bashed certain groups of people. I'm trying the best to keep people from being offended, but there's only so much I can do. I've taken steps, and have re-released this collection many times, removing information some people viewed as too sensitive. Please, if you want something removed or modified, tell me, but as far as I can see, there seems to be nothing wrong with the placemarks anymore.
Are you referring to the ones that are uploaded to the database or the ones in my placemark collection? The ones in the database are outdated, and have information that a friend of mine helped me with, but I only realized later that he had done some errors.. I had to fix his errors, yet the database isn't picking it up sometimes. My placemarks have the updated information.
I made this collection as way to infom people about this race. There have been some posts concerning this region, but have only outlined certain landmarks. I went ahead and found cities, some which weren't even marked on the map, and put pictures and information. The topic of the Kurdish people is very misunderstood and a very sensative subject in the Middle-East and abroad, and their reputation is stained by terrorists like the PKK and their support from some Kurds in Europe. There's still a belief by some that a Kurd will cut your finger off for a ring, which often causes Kurds to be looked upon as animals. I'll admit that they aren't advanced or civilized in the rural areas yet, but they are working to be more accepted. You can say one thing about a Kurd and offend one group, and say something else and offend a Kurd, and go back on that and offend yet another group. It's an endless circle, and I think it'll take years until that can be put aside.
I've been working hard on the collection, revising errors and grammarical errors to hope that one day people will finally accept this and realize my true intention behind it, and I hope that will happen one day.
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MercZ
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I'm adding one small update- Nothing significant, only some text and grammar edits as well as a fixed picture. I'm going to be off for a while for, so I can better make these placemarks to be more easily accessable and seem less jumbled. Hopefully I can achieve this and make these seem a bit more better in terms of quality. I'll try and find more pictures and update information as well as find new places of interest.
I will still answer questions and address concerns to the best of my abilities, and I apologize to those who think I'm being mean or one-sided, I don't mean to.
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Edited by MercZ (01/08/06 07:27 PM)
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tekgergedan
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Having read all your and others' posts, would you mind let me put a statement here?
As my friend Sirous told, it is well felt nationalistic/racist since you are expressing one people and constructing your work on a "national" basis. Since all the cities are formed by many peoples' (and the percentages in "most" of them are well close enough to say they are almost equal), you cannot argue that this and that is a Kurdish city. Nor can you argue things like in Kirkuk (your sentence: "It started off as a small Kurdish town") because no one can prove the situation in the old days and even one year ago since the land registrations were fired by the Kurdish groups.
And, there are some minorities, as well, in those cities. This is a clue that the cities are not Kurdish in origin. History and time changes things. In fact, it is those minorities who must be secured and more talked about because they are our own background, as well. (I say this not against you but only as a proof of my arguments)
Also, let me tell you that even Istanbul was not placemarked a few months ago and, thus, you do not need to worry because people there will be starting placemarking.
Anyway, I do not think you can easily understand what Sirous and I mean. But let me tell that your type of sentences are not in the way they should be.
Also, one thing for those who read this thread (and the paragraphs below are not to criticise you, my friend**). (1) Kurdish people are not unique. They have different languages. (2) Coincidentally, in history, none of the groups have ever claimed to rule their people and prefered to stay with any stronger power because they are under feudalic formations. (3) They also tend to evolve towards the neighboring cities.
For all these reasons, there is no map of theirs and all those mappers from outside the region fell into a difficulty -- they simply do not understand the fact. We live together but all the other minorities disappear from the history whose names I will not mention here.
Again, for all these reasons, they are not adopted to the cities they evolve, like Istanbul, Ankara, Adana, Mersin, etc. I do not know the other countries, so it is not my job to speak for them.
Again, for all these reasons, there are the borders there. Kurds in Turkey fought against imperials and formed Turkey together with the other peoples in Turkey. Kurds in Iran stood strong with their kingdom. And Kurds in Iraq benefited from the oil-full territories of the Crown's Iraq -- they did not fight for freedom in our independence war like those within our borders did fight and these latter made request from their grandchildren to be with Turkey forever.
EDIT: **: Because people nowadays read things and easily make conclusions by only their own ideas.
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Edited by tekgergedan (01/08/06 08:42 PM)
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MercZ
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Then what certain areas do you suggest I should edit? I'm trying my best to fix these problems people have with this, yet I still a long have a long way to going in terms of editing to get everyone ok with this. I want to make this without hurting people's feelings. I don't care what happens; I just don't want this region to be an empty place without much information for those who happen to stumble across the area. If you or Sirous want to edit some information, be my guest- I want to have this as a thing to be unoffensive to anyone, nor do I want people to view this as trash- I want this to be as good as it can be without people's feelings getting hurt.
And I realize your comments. Kurds were not the first to live in Kirkuk or the predominant population- There are Arabs, Christians, and Turkomans; this was something I didn't catch in my later revisions as I didn't have much interest in the area. I didn't find your comment as offensive, but it's the kind I like to hear from users. I can see a problem now, but I'm trying my best to keep this fair without leaving out Kurds as a populace. I can see where you say that Kurds aren't completely unique- I never implied that. They as they do share a heritage with Iranians, and have some culturual influence from the Arabs, Turks, and Iranians. But as for different languages, they don't do that. Kurds have different forms of Kurdish, mainly different in slang and pronunciations of Kurdish, which may sound different. The larger ones are Badini/ Kurmanji and Sorani. These diialects are similar as in the case of the different forms of Spanish in Latin America and Spain- They have developed different words and phrases as a result of neighboring cultures. Kurds from any region or dialect have no trouble talking to each other in Kurdish from my experience. And you are correct about Kurds not making a signified nation- They had swore alliances with the nations of the past, like Early Iranians, Arabs, the Safavid, Ottomans, the European Powers, and the later nations of the Middle-East. But I don't think this should keep them from calling themselves "Kurds"
I made this with the intention to bring light to this region, and I wish to make it better. I can see where you are saying that some are too culturally heavy, and I plan to edit and fix these ones I have gotten some spare time to go and research as well. I've begun to edit much of the information out, and I've tried to include others living in the cities. Once again, you or Sirous can help me or edit it- I still have a long way to go with this. If you wish to do so, make sure to download the most recent one, as I had uploaded yet another one with fixes.
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Edited by MercZ (01/10/06 05:42 PM)
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tekgergedan
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You are welcome. But why do you get so angry? We have a joke here:
You have found some little babies and you shout at them. 
Look, what you miss is that there is no other post like your almost-each of your sentences, for instance:
- "the Indians ...."
- "... the indians ..."
- "... the indians"
Think in this way: You are reading an article about your excellent couple. The article talks about your couple and never (or let's say a little) about you. Do you understand now? Do you feel isolated?
Or go on. You will find interesting friends in this thread by the time passing which is not suitable for our GE.
Without your statements, I completely appreciate your work. But I can say "well" but the breath stops saying "done"... 
Umm, also, I need to ask again my Kurdish friends whether they understand each other so well.
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Edited by tekgergedan (01/10/06 06:41 PM)
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MercZ
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Sorry about the over-reaction, I was in a bad mood
About the language, I'm only speaking from experience, and others may tell you otherwise. I had no trouble speaking with Kurds of SE Turkey, Northern Iraq, and my parents had no trouble with the ones who lived in Iran. I'm a speaker of Kurmanji/ Badini, and I understand the ones who speak Sorani. Some Kurds have no trouble comprenhending the other dialects, but other do.
I'm currently making sure that I have included other peoples, like the Iranians (Persians and Lurs mainly), Turks, Arabs, and other groups if I come across them. Unfortunately, this will be harder to do in the areas where they are hard to find. I'll try and insert statistics where I can if available. This is on my to do list as well as getting rid of some of the irrelavent history. No more focus on one group from this point on.
BTW, do you know the code to make pictures small thumbnails (Clickable to lead to the full-size image)? The different sizes of the pictures is really making things hard to do. Maybe a tool, if one's available.
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Edited by MercZ (01/10/06 08:26 PM)
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tekgergedan
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You have a very long PM. Sorry for the longness, but I need to explain many things about your work which can be one of the excellent ones here by some modifications.
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