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MercZ
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Iraq Kurdistan and other places- update 9/4/07
      #69151 - 08/12/05 10:12 PM

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I suggest that you download the placemark collections and use them in google earth. Using it through google maps will be too bothersome, since I have pictures embedded in the placemarks. Pictures will take a while to load at times, so give it time.

******Big update. I've done some major revamp of the Iraqi-Kurdistan region, and that has become my main concern now. Most of my placemarks in Turkey have been removed as I've been bothered and bugged about it, and I do not want to cause any vibes. I have added a plethora of my own images to them now, so I hope that there'll be a better idea of these areas. I am also going to slowly add these pictures and others on to panoramio in the coming days. Most of these images came from a very high resolution at a high mega-pixel (8.1), but I had to tone them down and place them on photobucket so they won't strain most people. As such, the qualities will be reduced. If for whatever reason you want a high-res copy of one of my pictures, PM me with your email and I'd be glad to send you a copy. Here are some tastes of new pictures-










I also encourage you if you have interest in this area to check the contributions others have submitted, especially the nice panoramio images.

*original post

I've checked across the BBS, and I have seen pictures of this place, but those didn't go too much into detail . This place peaked my interest, (Since I'm from there anyways, and have been there) so I decided to put together some marks (With info and pictures on the descriptions to the best of my abilities and feed back).

I've started on trying to get all the interesting things on Kurdistan. Please post feedback of any kind. Constructive, requests, if there's something you've found or a good picture, please post them.

**Note, I refer to this area as a Cultural Region rather than a political unit. All cities are a part of their respective nations. I'm not a separatist, nor do I support the PKK. My grandfather was killed by the PKK in 1991... I have no love for them, so don't think this is something political. I'm just giving insight to an area I love.

And please, if you are going to say something, speak English. It will help everyone on this forum if you can speak it. If you come and flame rather than contribute, then I'm afraid you've missed the point of a forum. If you take offense to this, then don't download it.

I'm not an expert, and as such I may have bad information and/or incorrect. If you have a good site with information that you think should be mentioned or corrected, please feel free to post it.

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Re: Sights to see Southern Kurdistan [Re: MercZ]
      #69451 - 08/13/05 09:00 AM

Bump

Ok. I've just updated the placemarks, and added some new places. I've also added some info on Kurds on the folder description.

-Kirkuk
-Sulaymaniyah
-Mosul
-Barzan
-Zibari
-Rawanduz
-Zakho

These placemarks have info on the city, as well as some pictures.

(Check my first post for the new and updated file)

Please post feedback on any problems or inaccuracies.

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Edited by MercZ (08/13/05 01:20 PM)


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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan [Re: MercZ]
      #69636 - 08/13/05 01:27 PM

I've added some cities in the other parts of Kurdistan.

I've updated the placemarks a bit. Check my first post for the new kmz file.

Please post feedback.

And if you can find any pictures of places I don't have pictures of (Or one you think is great), please post it.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan [Re: MercZ]
      #70543 - 08/14/05 03:57 PM

I've updated some of the Information on the cities and the the regions. To learn more about the places, click on the place mark, and the description will come up, as well as some links to a picture relating to the place. Check the folders for an overview of the place. Check my first post for the link of the new file.

Any feedback?

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Re: Habur gate/crossing [Re: MercZ]
      #70583 - 08/14/05 05:26 PM

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Those of us who work in and for the army here the work is one mostly of logistics.this may be Kurdistan on both sides of the river but this is also the Iraq/Turkish border.

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Re: Habur gate/crossing [Re: infocat13]
      #70638 - 08/14/05 06:56 PM

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Those of us who work in and for the army here the work is one mostly of logistics.this may be Kurdistan on both sides of the river but this is also the Iraq/Turkish border.




I don't why I forgot that. When I visted my relatives the last time, it was a pain to cross over. They had to do background checks, and may different things. My family and I were stuck there for a while (I think 2-3 hours) last time. Our relatives were right there, on the other side of the bridge, I could see them come out of the building near by to see if any cars came out through the gate. I always crossed this place, but I never knew the name of the place. Thanks for pointing that out, I'll update the placemark with it and some pictures.

I like that kind of feedback. I've been to this place, but only to where my relatives are (Southern Kurdistan/ Northern Iraq), and Diyarbakir on my way there, so I don't have too much info on places outside of that.

Check the first post for updated placemark.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan [Re: MercZ]
      #80320 - 08/22/05 09:03 PM

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Thanks for those... in Irbil I noticed what looks like a very large garden. Do you know anything about it? Is it old or relatively new? The design of it is just stunning.

jen


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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #80364 - 08/22/05 09:56 PM

Hello MercZ

The resolution for this region is not very high...
I will have an orgasm if google earth ad a high resolution image of Persepolis !..
One of the most important historical place. !!!...


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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan [Re: SloeJen]
      #86147 - 08/27/05 09:58 AM

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Thanks for those... in Irbil I noticed what looks like a very large garden. Do you know anything about it? Is it old or relatively new? The design of it is just stunning.

jen




Sorry for taking long to reply. I was tied up the whole week.

Yes, I noticied that place, it certainly does have a great design. I wish I could tell you about it more, but I spent most of my time in Dahok and Akre. I only visted Hawler once with my dad to visit a friend of his, and I didn't have much time to sightsee. It's probably a memorial built to honor the peshmergas and the sacrifices they made for the Kurds. I believe it's recent, though.

And Ayatollah, this thing I've started is mainly based on the Kurdish regions, but I'm with you for some high resolutions. I too would like to see Persopolis and Pasargadae. Iran has got its share of great cities too, and I was surprised that Iran didn't get any high res shots, I always wanted to see how Azadi looked from space.

And I'm aware of the low resolution of the places, thats why I've put links of pictures in their descriptions. I'd put some overlays, but I really can't seem to find good ones that'll actually fit in correctly.

Another note though, there is a large hotel in Hawler, (I think it was a sheraton), and I'd like to see if any of you could locate it. Also, if you guys think you have found some interesting places in the Kurdish lands, please post them.

Check my first post for some improvements and some new placemarks.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan [Re: SloeJen]
      #179980 - 11/02/05 08:05 PM

Ultra-Bump

I've been away for sometime. I'm revising some of my texts and pictures at the moment, and trying to see if there are any locations that are incorrect, or if there are other pictures that I can use instead.

If you guys have suggestions or pictures, please post them.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan [Re: MercZ]
      #181997 - 11/04/05 08:49 PM

Updated first post with pics that I have currently of the locations. Please tell me if these pics are good enough.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #189216 - 11/08/05 06:48 PM

I've done some minor information tweaking, specifically on the Qala'a of Hawler and Amedi. Check first post for updated place mark

To Do List

Pictures
More Information
Population Information
Height of Mountains

Quick Question-

I've noticed that the placemarks we post end up turning into those Infomation things. I've noticed that everytime I update my place marks, it seems to duplicate. Is there anyway to stop this?

Edited by MercZ (11/08/05 07:18 PM)


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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #190881 - 11/09/05 08:44 PM

I am currently reworking the placemark information to show pictures. Now when you open most of the placemarks, you can see a picture of the location. I've had to still keep some of these pictures in links due to some extremities (Halabcha victims) and others that couldn't fit in right.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #192022 - 11/10/05 03:43 PM

Update-

I've reworked the pictures in the info to show the pictures rather a link.

Check first post for updated placemarks.

Comments and suggestions welcomed.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #195913 - 11/13/05 07:51 AM

Another update, I've updated some information and added some new sites.

Feedback appreciated. I've seen that a good number of you have downloaded the place marks, or atleast seen it as the info-marks on the map. Any feedback?

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, I [Re: MercZ]
      #196137 - 11/13/05 10:25 AM

diyarbakir, van and agri isn't kurdistan... they are cities of turkiye..

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, I [Re: ozkan_k]
      #196209 - 11/13/05 11:15 AM

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diyarbakir, van and agri isn't kurdistan... they are cities of turkiye..




You are right, they are cities of Turkey. Keep in mind Kurdistan isn't on the map, it's usually referred as a region of the Kurds. Diyabikar has one of the largest Kurdish population, Van's surronding regions have Kurdish populations, and Agri has some Kurdish villages around it. Kurds don't have power there, as it is under the dominion of the Turkish Government. I won't get in a fight over Turkey and Kurdistan, but I won't say that Kurdish people don't live in that region, since they do live in those regions.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, I [Re: MercZ]
      #196659 - 11/13/05 05:01 PM

hi, i won't get any fight to. but i must say, you have to show respect to borders of republic of turkiye. we are living together, there is no point like those maps or the other things.. yes, kurdish population can be more than turkish population at these regions.. but during the age of "selcuklu" and "osmanli" and "republic of turkish" we lived together in a state, and we are still living together.. not seperate.. together. and i think, we will never seperate... please read some history.. whatewer.. you can write what do you want.

for maps of turkiye:
http://www.kesfetmekicinbak.com/TR900/
http://www.turkish-media.com/y_h/turk_map.htm


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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, I [Re: ozkan_k]
      #196673 - 11/13/05 05:17 PM

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hi, i won't get any fight to. but i must say, you have to show respect to borders of republic of turkiye. we are living together, there is no point like those maps or the other things.. yes, kurdish population can be more than turkish population at these regions.. but during the age of "selcuklu" and "osmanli" and "republic of turkish" we lived together in a state, and we are still living together.. not seperate.. together. and i think, we will never seperate... please read some history.. whatewer.. you can write what do you want.

for maps of turkiye:
http://www.kesfetmekicinbak.com/TR900/
http://www.turkish-media.com/y_h/turk_map.htm




I am respecting the border of Turkey. If you noticed, I didn't agree with some of the maps, especially the last one. I only posted them since I thought you didn't know Kurds lived in those regions. I'm not a supporter of seperatist action or the bad actions that the PKK has done in Turkey. I've only mentioned those due to their lack of attention in the database and importance to Kurdish culture. Thank you for your feedback.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, I [Re: MercZ]
      #196684 - 11/13/05 05:29 PM

ok,
by the way, i'm sorry for my bad english..


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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, I [Re: ozkan_k]
      #196697 - 11/13/05 05:39 PM

Quote:

ok,
by the way, i'm sorry for my bad english..




It's no problem, I can understand. Thank you for your understanding.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #252104 - 12/29/05 10:20 PM

People, please listen to this. For the last time, I'm showing Kurdish Cultural Regions and Cities, not outlining a Kurdish State. I appreciate your concern, and please know that I'm not doing that here. I do not want a political fight here.

It's Kind of hard to believe that over a 1000 people have downloaded this, yet few have left any comments. I don't really mind if you don't like it or have something against it- I appreciate constructive criticism.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #263401 - 01/07/06 10:01 AM

Quote:

I appreciate constructive criticism.




Although your posts are informative, I think there is a kind of racial concern in it...

In todays world, many races live together in a country respectfully. Nobody will be benefited of separatist thoughts.

rgds,
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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: Sirous_Nekooei]
      #264259 - 01/07/06 10:25 PM

Quote:

Quote:

I appreciate constructive criticism.




Although your posts are informative, I think there is a kind of racial concern in it...

In todays world, many races live together in a country respectfully. Nobody will be benefited of separatist thoughts.

rgds,
Sirous




I'm not trying to imply separitism or racist thoughts. If I had been implying a separtist thoughts, I would've called the PKK terrorists "heroes" or bashed certain groups of people. I'm trying the best to keep people from being offended, but there's only so much I can do. I've taken steps, and have re-released this collection many times, removing information some people viewed as too sensitive. Please, if you want something removed or modified, tell me, but as far as I can see, there seems to be nothing wrong with the placemarks anymore.

Are you referring to the ones that are uploaded to the database or the ones in my placemark collection? The ones in the database are outdated, and have information that a friend of mine helped me with, but I only realized later that he had done some errors.. I had to fix his errors, yet the database isn't picking it up sometimes. My placemarks have the updated information.

I made this collection as way to infom people about this race. There have been some posts concerning this region, but have only outlined certain landmarks. I went ahead and found cities, some which weren't even marked on the map, and put pictures and information. The topic of the Kurdish people is very misunderstood and a very sensative subject in the Middle-East and abroad, and their reputation is stained by terrorists like the PKK and their support from some Kurds in Europe. There's still a belief by some that a Kurd will cut your finger off for a ring, which often causes Kurds to be looked upon as animals. I'll admit that they aren't advanced or civilized in the rural areas yet, but they are working to be more accepted. You can say one thing about a Kurd and offend one group, and say something else and offend a Kurd, and go back on that and offend yet another group. It's an endless circle, and I think it'll take years until that can be put aside.

I've been working hard on the collection, revising errors and grammarical errors to hope that one day people will finally accept this and realize my true intention behind it, and I hope that will happen one day.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #265487 - 01/08/06 07:26 PM

I'm adding one small update- Nothing significant, only some text and grammar edits as well as a fixed picture. I'm going to be off for a while for, so I can better make these placemarks to be more easily accessable and seem less jumbled. Hopefully I can achieve this and make these seem a bit more better in terms of quality. I'll try and find more pictures and update information as well as find new places of interest.

I will still answer questions and address concerns to the best of my abilities, and I apologize to those who think I'm being mean or one-sided, I don't mean to.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #265525 - 01/08/06 08:23 PM

Having read all your and others' posts, would you mind let me put a statement here?

As my friend Sirous told, it is well felt nationalistic/racist since you are expressing one people and constructing your work on a "national" basis. Since all the cities are formed by many peoples' (and the percentages in "most" of them are well close enough to say they are almost equal), you cannot argue that this and that is a Kurdish city. Nor can you argue things like in Kirkuk (your sentence: "It started off as a small Kurdish town") because no one can prove the situation in the old days and even one year ago since the land registrations were fired by the Kurdish groups.

And, there are some minorities, as well, in those cities. This is a clue that the cities are not Kurdish in origin. History and time changes things. In fact, it is those minorities who must be secured and more talked about because they are our own background, as well. (I say this not against you but only as a proof of my arguments)

Also, let me tell you that even Istanbul was not placemarked a few months ago and, thus, you do not need to worry because people there will be starting placemarking.

Anyway, I do not think you can easily understand what Sirous and I mean. But let me tell that your type of sentences are not in the way they should be.

Also, one thing for those who read this thread (and the paragraphs below are not to criticise you, my friend**). (1) Kurdish people are not unique. They have different languages. (2) Coincidentally, in history, none of the groups have ever claimed to rule their people and prefered to stay with any stronger power because they are under feudalic formations. (3) They also tend to evolve towards the neighboring cities.

For all these reasons, there is no map of theirs and all those mappers from outside the region fell into a difficulty -- they simply do not understand the fact. We live together but all the other minorities disappear from the history whose names I will not mention here.

Again, for all these reasons, they are not adopted to the cities they evolve, like Istanbul, Ankara, Adana, Mersin, etc. I do not know the other countries, so it is not my job to speak for them.

Again, for all these reasons, there are the borders there. Kurds in Turkey fought against imperials and formed Turkey together with the other peoples in Turkey. Kurds in Iran stood strong with their kingdom. And Kurds in Iraq benefited from the oil-full territories of the Crown's Iraq -- they did not fight for freedom in our independence war like those within our borders did fight and these latter made request from their grandchildren to be with Turkey forever.


EDIT: **: Because people nowadays read things and easily make conclusions by only their own ideas.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: tekgergedan]
      #266543 - 01/09/06 04:02 PM

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Then what certain areas do you suggest I should edit? I'm trying my best to fix these problems people have with this, yet I still a long have a long way to going in terms of editing to get everyone ok with this. I want to make this without hurting people's feelings. I don't care what happens; I just don't want this region to be an empty place without much information for those who happen to stumble across the area. If you or Sirous want to edit some information, be my guest- I want to have this as a thing to be unoffensive to anyone, nor do I want people to view this as trash- I want this to be as good as it can be without people's feelings getting hurt.

And I realize your comments. Kurds were not the first to live in Kirkuk or the predominant population- There are Arabs, Christians, and Turkomans; this was something I didn't catch in my later revisions as I didn't have much interest in the area. I didn't find your comment as offensive, but it's the kind I like to hear from users. I can see a problem now, but I'm trying my best to keep this fair without leaving out Kurds as a populace. I can see where you say that Kurds aren't completely unique- I never implied that. They as they do share a heritage with Iranians, and have some culturual influence from the Arabs, Turks, and Iranians. But as for different languages, they don't do that. Kurds have different forms of Kurdish, mainly different in slang and pronunciations of Kurdish, which may sound different. The larger ones are Badini/ Kurmanji and Sorani. These diialects are similar as in the case of the different forms of Spanish in Latin America and Spain- They have developed different words and phrases as a result of neighboring cultures. Kurds from any region or dialect have no trouble talking to each other in Kurdish from my experience. And you are correct about Kurds not making a signified nation- They had swore alliances with the nations of the past, like Early Iranians, Arabs, the Safavid, Ottomans, the European Powers, and the later nations of the Middle-East. But I don't think this should keep them from calling themselves "Kurds"

I made this with the intention to bring light to this region, and I wish to make it better. I can see where you are saying that some are too culturally heavy, and I plan to edit and fix these ones I have gotten some spare time to go and research as well. I've begun to edit much of the information out, and I've tried to include others living in the cities. Once again, you or Sirous can help me or edit it- I still have a long way to go with this. If you wish to do so, make sure to download the most recent one, as I had uploaded yet another one with fixes.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: MercZ]
      #268022 - 01/10/06 06:36 PM

You are welcome. But why do you get so angry? We have a joke here:

You have found some little babies and you shout at them.

Look, what you miss is that there is no other post like your almost-each of your sentences, for instance:
- "the Indians ...."
- "... the indians ..."
- "... the indians"

Think in this way: You are reading an article about your excellent couple. The article talks about your couple and never (or let's say a little) about you. Do you understand now? Do you feel isolated?

Or go on. You will find interesting friends in this thread by the time passing which is not suitable for our GE.

Without your statements, I completely appreciate your work. But I can say "well" but the breath stops saying "done"...

Umm, also, I need to ask again my Kurdish friends whether they understand each other so well.

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MercZ
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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, Iran) [Re: tekgergedan]
      #268071 - 01/10/06 07:41 PM

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Sorry about the over-reaction, I was in a bad mood

About the language, I'm only speaking from experience, and others may tell you otherwise. I had no trouble speaking with Kurds of SE Turkey, Northern Iraq, and my parents had no trouble with the ones who lived in Iran. I'm a speaker of Kurmanji/ Badini, and I understand the ones who speak Sorani. Some Kurds have no trouble comprenhending the other dialects, but other do.

I'm currently making sure that I have included other peoples, like the Iranians (Persians and Lurs mainly), Turks, Arabs, and other groups if I come across them. Unfortunately, this will be harder to do in the areas where they are hard to find. I'll try and insert statistics where I can if available. This is on my to do list as well as getting rid of some of the irrelavent history. No more focus on one group from this point on.

BTW, do you know the code to make pictures small thumbnails (Clickable to lead to the full-size image)? The different sizes of the pictures is really making things hard to do. Maybe a tool, if one's available.

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Re: Sights to see around Kurdistan (Iraq,Turkey, I [Re: MercZ]
      #268613 - 01/11/06 06:06 AM

You have a very long PM. Sorry for the longness, but I need to explain many things about your work which can be one of the excellent ones here by some modifications.

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