JohnLuke
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I've just read the FAQ again, and I'm pretty sure there is no indication in it that posters should or have to post the solutions to their puzzles after a certain amount of time, but I am proposing (in my full capacity as a "master gamer"  ) that this be done. In other words, do you think it would be a good idea if every poster posted the solution to his/her puzzle after a given time (or before if it suits them)? Of course it would have to be in the same thread but as a "reply" to their own original post, and with the mention SOLUTION.
I have noticed there are plenty of puzzles I wasn't ready or able to try to solve, or had no time to do, or was only half interested in doing, especially when there are so many to choose from and you have to make a choice, but I was still interested to know the solutions. Of course you can always ask, but everybody cannot ask for the solution of every puzzle, and who's going to decide who's going to ask about which puzzle? I say, let's all post the solution when we feel the time has come. Then we'll all see how good the puzzles and their solvers were (  ) and the newcomers to the forum can have a better idea of what is really going on in here.
Just a thought. 
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googlyeyes
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Good idea JohnLuke.
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Hear...Hear!!!
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fwatkins6
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I too agree, though I haven't been keeping up all that well, as indicated by my limited postings, but I agree to a certain extent.
36 hours would seem a good number, if the puzzle is not solved, and if there is sufficient interest in the puzzle = the number of responses to the puzzle, i.e., 3 (three). Just probably need some qualifiers to not have to rehash a bad puzzle (Lord knows I've made some real stinkers)
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wtwjgc
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Good idea.
I think a week after posting the original puzzle would be soon enough.
That gives plenty of time for those in different time zones enough time to 'play' with the puzzle.
Solution could still be in WHITE to allow others (newcomers, etc,) to do the puzzle if they wish. It's good for practice, too.
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GlobAll
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Very good idea !!
Solution >>>in white<<< seems excellent !
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lockhopper
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What a good idea.
But the solution must be in white. Sometimes it's ages before I can get time to do puzzles and I have enjoyed doing them even though they're 'old'.
Does this have to be written or can we all adopt it as the norm?
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TheLedge
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Good idea there John.
As you know, as soon as you guys and gals in the F&G start to adopt the "Solution" post to your games, it will soon become the norm.
And yes, It should be in >>White<< so we old timers get a chance 
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G4E
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Great idea
most importantly, the solution must inclued an explanation to the clues - often I look at the answers in white yet cannot fathom how you mind readers get to the answer.
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Walter_V_R
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That is a splendid idea.
I have sometimes problems to understand some expressions in english, so the solutions of the puzzles + the explanation of the (sometimes very cryptic) clues should be very welcome!
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TimDrake
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Excellent idea!
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JohnLuke
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It's great to see this idea so well received! I must admit I had my doubts, but now I am relieved! Plus some of you chipped in with their own ideas too, so I think it is generally accepted that everyone should do this from now on, and let's see how it works? I have no puzzle ready right now (I never do them in advance, as soon as I think of one, there it is!) my next one will be followed by a solution >> in white << after a week or so.
See you later people! Take care.
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atallman
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Have I read this correctly?
You want the poster to answer his or her own post if no one else does?
Totally disagree whole heartly if that is what your saving. We all have the ability to reply to a tought quzzle with" clue please" or " what's the story behind this?". This in turn bumps the post to the top, more people see it and the higher the chance it will be solved.
I say never answer your own post unless asked too as there could be people working on it.
Plus, self bumpping of posts becomes annoying and if I recall is against the rules of this forum.
Patience is needed in solving puzzles.
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TheLedge
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Yeah, After a think, I would suggest a 7 day post for the solution. That gives us slow guys sometime and any newbies to still take part later on.
Just to remind you all, put it in your reminders, so you don't forget.
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atallman
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Sorry, I know I sound negative above because>>> an answer in white is a light to a moth, few of us resist going to it when we could be looking for the answer <<<
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BeadieJay
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Have I read this correctly?
You want the poster to answer his or her own post if no one else does?
I think you might have got this slightly wrong. I don't think the intention is to reply to your own post if no-one else has done so, but to provide the answer (in white) for those who maybe have not been able to solve it, either due to lack of time, or because the puzzle is too difficult (even with clues, some of them are very hard to solve!!).
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Totally disagree whole heartly if that is what your saving. We all have the ability to reply to a tought quzzle with" clue please" or " what's the story behind this?". This in turn bumps the post to the top, more people see it and the higher the chance it will be solved.
Again, not everyone can solve a puzzle based on the clues....I even have trouble understanding some of them even after they've been explained, but without the actual answer there as a reference point, the whole thing is, well, pointless to me!
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I say never answer your own post unless asked too as there could be people working on it.
Plus, self bumpping of posts becomes annoying and if I recall is against the rules of this forum.
Patience is needed in solving puzzles.
Yes, self-bumping of posts is against the rules, but in this particular forum I don't think we can accuse someone of self-bumping if the only reason for entering a new post, is to put the answer (again, in white).
I hope that makes sense atallman
JohnLuke, I think it's a good idea to add it to the FAQ's, will do so (if not already done) when I get a few more minutes to spare!
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hotwellian
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Hi John,
Yes I think it would be a good idea for those puzzles where answering GE shots have been published, but the actual puzzle answer hasn't been posted. Perhaps the answers could be in white so that we could still attempt the puzzles. And say after 14 days or so.
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fleetpeople
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I think it's a good idea and a week is probably enough time.
However, if someone is doing a full alphabet of images it might take longer but you could possibly post the << location >>for those who haven't started yet.
The other good convention which has developed is to show in the SUBJECT when it's completed, often with the solver's ID.
That way you know when to look back if you haven't managed it. And usually kick yourself too.
Nice one JL. It'll probably save a lot of frustration.
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atallman
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Think about users that don't jump on ever day.
We might come across an a-z on the same day it is meant to be answered by the OP. We have not had the same amount of time as others to solve it and now our chance of gorly, by being the one preson to answer the challenge, is gone because the OP answered before we replied!
Could I suggest that if a puzzle is so hard then someone reply, "give us the answer" then if within 24hrs another poster request again "give us the answer" the OP does so. If, however, anyone else relies with "no I'm still working on it" we let it go?
I just see a lot of the FUN going if it becomes the etiquette to proved the answer to your own unsolved puzzle.
Still this is just my POV, if it does become etiqutte I'll follow suite, jut trying to give a different perspective for you to think about.
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BeadieJay
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Think about users that don't jump on ever day.
We might come across an a-z on the same day it is meant to be answered by the OP. We have not had the same amount of time as others to solve it and now our chance of gorly, by being the one preson to answer the challenge, is gone because the OP answered before we replied!
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I just see a lot of the FUN going if it becomes the etiquette to proved the answer to your own unsolved puzzle.
But that's just the point - we're not asking the OP to give the answer before someone has solved it, but to provide the answer, say, a week after it has been solved, so that those who couldn't work it out for themselves can see what the solution is.
Also, I think most of us no longer do this for "glory", but for the fun and satisfaction of solving a puzzle. But there is equally a deal of unsatisfaction if the answer is not known, despite one, or many people, solving a puzzle - if you're the only one who can't figure it out, it's nice to know that the answer will eventually be posted to put you out of your misery (usually "my" misery, some of these recent puzzles have been fiendish!!!)
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lockhopper
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Sometimes it's weeks before I have time to solve puzzles, let alone set them, but I like to look through what I've missed and even if they've been solved I like to do them myself - without posting. I don't read the white text until I have given up.
What annoys me is getting an answer and never finding out whether I'm right or wrong or worse - never, ever being able to solve a puzzle and not understanding how others have.
I'm sure that etiquette and fair play will see us through any teething problems and that the answer to the pickle problem will be revealed in due course
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JohnLuke
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That was just an idea, open to comments, questions and whatever. The 7-day limit doesn't have to be starting from the day when the puzzle was posted, for example. It could be 7 days after the last post in the thread is made, either with or without a good answer or a solution. In other words, you post a puzzle, for a certain period of time people work on it, ask you for clues, and so on. Some people win, other people still work on it, ask you for more clues until they solve it too (or don't). Then for 7 days, nobody else plays it, people have gone to other threads and puzzles, the thread is virtually dead. Then you have to give the solution (if nobody else in the thread has already done it). Hows that sound?
If that bumps up too many dead threads, other live thread will be quickly bumped up anyway. Frankly, I think this might work.
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wtwjgc
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.... some of these recent puzzles have been fiendish!!!)
Which ones are those? 
I agree, the solution should only be posted after time has been given to attempt the puzzle. The time could be extended by adding clues to help solve them. A fixed time would not be fair in the case of such as A-Z puzzles, which by their nature take longer to solve than a single picture.
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CuriousJM
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I fully agree with Luke. I feel some sort of 'Whys of Clues' is required. Most of the puzzles go over my head even after the answer is known. I had also posted somewhat similar request but failed to get a response.  (See the last entry of this post).
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atallman
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OK, fair enough, I'm on board.
Happy New Year All
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Farceur
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It seem's that the answer's to a lot of the puzzle's that are being posted lately are non existent or the poster could not be bothered. As JLs original post state's " let's all post the solution when we feel the time has come". Maybe not immediately but certainly before i die.
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danescombe
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Yes
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