Diane9247
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Erreka -
Your link is VERY informative and graphs/charts are also helpful to illustrate deforestation over the decades (pie chart is from the linked site). I am surprised to see that logging and commercial farming are such a small percentage of the cause!

I have a feeling this has changed somewhat since '05, because lately I've read about the booming business in soybeans in Brazil - and their biggest customer is China. I believe the US is their biggest buyer for cattle.
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Pragueimp
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Diane
'I am surprised to see that logging and commercial farming are such a small percentage of the cause!'
This could depend on the definition of 'logging'. Although the land is to be used for a specific purpose (agriculture or whatever) one assumes that the trees which are removed to allow this land use are also utilised - firewood, timber, pulp. Therefore the clearance of this land could also be called logging, even if the final land use is different. Perhaps logging in your diagram refers to land cleared specifically for the timber, irrespective of the subsequent land use? It could even be land that is then replanted with timber trees (but is still therefore not rain forest)? Hope that makes sense - it was difficult to describe! Imp P.S. Great pie chart!
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erreka
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Diane and Imp.
Según Ariovaldo Umbelino, de la universidad de Sao Paulo, los principales motores de la deforestación son: -las madereras, que son las primeras en destruir la selva. -las ganaderías, que ocupan el lugar dejado por las madereras. -los "grileiros" ("ladrones de tierras") que se apropian de las tierras que pertenecen al Estado o a las pequeñas poblaciones. -la presión de los cultivos de grano, principalmente soja, sobre los rancheros. El avance del agronegocio hace que los criadores de ganado abran cada vez más espacio en la selva. En la región de Santarém es el mismo cultivo de soja el que surge en primera línea frente a la zona deforestada. En esta situación tiene mucha importancia el centro (ilegal) de exportación de Cargill en el puerto de Santarém. La "autopista de la soja", BR-163, que une Cuiabá con Santarém llega hasta las propias puertas de la mencionada transnacional (ver adjunto y activar carreteras). Se da la circunstancia de que el presidente Lula ha prometido asfaltar la BR-163 lo que agravará la situación.
Devorando la Amazonia

According Ariovaldo Umbelino, of the University of Sao Paulo, the main causers of deforestation are: - logging, which are the first to destroy the jungle. - cattle ranches, they occupy the place left by logging. - the "grileiros" ( "Land thieves") that were appropriated land belonging to the State or small populations. - the pressure of the grain crops, mainly soybeans, on ranchers. The advance of agribusiness makes breeders increasingly open space in the jungle.
In the region of Santarem is the same crop of soybeans that arises in the frontline facing the area deforested. In this situation is very important Cargill (illegal) export center in the port of Santarem. The "highway of soybeans", BR-163, which connects Cuiabá with Santarém reaches the gates of the aforementioned transnational (see attachment and activate roads). It is the fact that President Lula has promised (and they are already doing it) to asphalt BR-163 which will aggravate the deforestation.
Eating up the Amazon
Edited by erreka (06/21/08 06:02 PM)
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Farceur
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What a sad thread for a sad state of affair's Diane. ........Much has been said about deforestation and the effect's that it is having on our different part's of the Earth. From the early 1980's, Indonesia has been regularly and systematically destroying massive tract's of rainforest in Borneo . "Currently more tropical timber is extracted from Borneo than all of Latin America and Africa combined" a report from MONGABAY.COM state's.
"Dr Lisa M. Curran has spent a good portion of her professional career studying ecosystems in this area. From 1984 to 2001, she led a comprehensive study documenting the rate of forest loss in Western Kalimantan and surveyed an area of over four million hectares (about 9.9 million acres). The results of her work were published in February 2005 and her findings are numbing" its report states and there are many, many more report's just like it. Google "Borneo deforestation" for more sad news and check out how many timber mill's there are in such a short stretch of river in the kml file attached to see the destruction in all its gory.
Australia not only has to deal with our own sometime's massive bushfire's producing tonne's of pollution but also the clearing of land in Borneo has had the added effect of smothering most of Australia every summer with pollution during the burning off of their huge amount of "waste" timber which is piled into mound's and set alight. I have not had a whole summer clear of smog since the mid 1980's.
As Indonesia is the 4th most populous nation in the world and only the 16th largest in area, it is no wonder that the population spread to and clearing of rainforest is so prolificate and disturbing.
With the advent of knowledge and technology we have been able to prolong and enrich our live's by manipulating nature and its inherent population control's. "Populate or perish" is today's government's catchcry. "Overpopulate, consume, pollute and then perish" is the truth and reality that we as the human race face in the future.
Human's. So smart but yet so stupid. Nature will win in the end and when we are gone, all will be well with the Earth. (Until the Sun die's, turn's into a supernova and consume's our solar system anyway.)
Conclusion.......The whole world is a sad place but who have we as a species got to blame?
I think i need a cheap scotch now that inside my head is also a sad place............Make it a double.
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Diane9247
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Farceur -
Thanks for adding a discussion of Borneo. I tend to not feel so involved with rainforests in other hemispheres - big mistake! Perhaps Australia is one of the few developed countries with a direct interest in Borneo's destruction of its forests, so I'm glad you're down there paying attention to the damage. I found this image of the Kalimantan region of Borneo on the Monga Bay site you linked (loaded with info!). So, this illustrates very well where your smoky skies come from...

And, lest a new reader of this thread scold Americans and Europeans again for our double standard: it is crucial we "old deforesters" use our mistakes to try influencing the new ones.
Now, about Scotch... Yes, this is all very daunting, isn't it? But, getting harder to ignore.
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Groovy23
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Maribop's world is shrinking. Mile after square mile of dense rainforest where, for centuries, his people hunted among the trees and tangled vines is vanishing.

For 40 years he lived by the bow, as ignorant of the white man as they were off him - until 1969 when the invaders arrived, bringing with them the greed and diseases of the civilised world.
Within a decade those diseases had decimated his people, until there were just 300 of the original 5,000 tribesmen left.
Now it is the greed that is threatening the few who remain as illegal loggers rip the heart out of Maribop's hunting grounds.
Which is why Maribop and his tribe have turned to the internet for help.
Their forest is being raped - and Maribop's people, the Surui, have asked the scientists from Google Earth to help them win a war they once fought with poisoned arrows.
Soon, anyone with access to the internet will be able to watch for illegal logging as a Google Earth satellite makes its pass over Maribop's homeland in Brazil and, hopefully, to press the world's governments into action before too much more vanishes beneath the chain saw and bulldozers.
Maribop, now 86, says: "Before contact with the outside my life was happy. For a long time we lived with the threat of invaders and our shaman told us that when contact came it would bring massacres and enslave us. Yes, there was a lot of fear."
The Surui's spokesman is Maribop's son Chief Almir, who was born just six years after first contact with the so-called civilised world. Almir has travelled the world, including Britain, to protect his culture and their part of the forest and he quickly realised the potential of Google Earth to help them.
The first member of his tribe to go to university, he is convinced the internet will win where bows and arrows have failed.
Google Earth has grown to 400 million users in just three years, using satellite imagery and 3-D topography and map data to create a virtual world. Most people use it to look at their home or where they are going on holiday.
But in June 2007 the company set up Google Earth Outreach, developing internet tools to improve Google maps with non-profit organisations.
They have come to the Surui village to launch the Brazil Outreach project which they hope will be a model for other indigenous tribes in Brazil and around the world.
It will provide a 21st century window to their world and may, at last, keep the loggers at bay.
Google project manager Rebecca Moore said: "Chief Almir told us he realised it was time to put down the bow and pick up the laptop.
"He asked us to train his people so they could tell their story, their history and the beauty of their land and culture and gain support from the world to fight the loss of the forest. At the moment their territory is just a green blob on Google Earth.
We knew we could help not just with Google maps, but with blogs and You Tube because they have videos of their elders. Imagine you could fly through Surui territory watching parrots and jaguars. Or you could show the site of first contact and click on it and see an image or a video or an interview with an elder telling a story of life before contact.
"Or visit the site of an important battle or where they gather medicinal plants and berries and discover why these plants are important to them and the world. But it is up to them what they do with it once we have trained them how to add their own stuff.
"The way they greeted me into their village was very moving. I don't understand all their traditions but I could see just great respect."
Mark Aubin, one of the founders of Google Earth is also on the team. He said: "I am not sure yet how the Surui people are going to use it. But I try to imagine how people could use our tools, being here in the village and seeing how people live very differently from me gives me ideas how they might do it."
Chief Almir plans to use Google to show their plans to replant the 7,000 hectares they have lost with 80,000 saplings and 40,000 fruit trees with the help of partners like Swiss charity AquaVerde and to develop sustainable goods from Surui land.
"It is possible to have knowledge of life and a good wealth without having to destroy or curse or hurt the forest," he says. "This is not because we are better than others, but to show our concern and the danger the land is in.
"People who live in the forest and believe in the forest are considered naive. But the people who are really naive are those who are destroying the forest and, like children, don't know what they are doing. We believe there is a way to achieve a better world with a standing forest.
"It is also very important for the Surui people themselves to understand technology is an instrument and a partner in this search.
"Each person should be proud of their own people's history. I am honoured to have been born a member of the Surui people.
His father Maribop hopes the history of the Surui people and the knowledge they can offer lives on through Google "I have lived in this place for a long time and I have walked very far to be here. I learned from my own father.
Even though I have contact now with non-Indians I am always an Indian and I am proud to be who I am.
"They should teach that the forest is everything. Even the people who live in cities are there because of the forest.
We are maintaining our forest because we love the forest and we love the land.
"The forest touches everyone in some way ... it is within everything."
Tracking the tree smugglers
The destruction of the forest came home to us when we came across two illegal logging lorries loaded with trees just a few miles from the Surui village.
Loggers sneak onto the conservation lands to cut down trees during the day, leave them to rest and then steal them away under the cover of darkness Depending on the tree, a trunk can fetch £250 to £500 and are processed at legal mills that turn illegal at night.
Around three-quarters of the illegal wood is used in Brazil because it is difficult to get export licences.
The soil is poor beneath the trees so cleared land becomes scrub and the soil washes away silting up rivers and killing river fish, something the tribes that live there are fighting hard to end.
Vasco van Roosmalen, director of Brazil programmes for the Amazon Conservation Team said: "It is simple. Where you have Indians you have forests; where you don't have Indians, you don't have forests. That is what the satellite pictures show already."
www.actbrasil.org.br to see the work of the Amazon Conservation Team
Source: Daily Mirror
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Diane9247
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This is wonderful news and the best use of GE imaginable. Hope the trend grows and greedy parties learn that "we're watching you." 
Diane
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Excellent overlays, erreka. Thank you!
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