#1015876 - 02/02/08 08:41 AM
Re: Frustrations
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Th FAA has not yet mandated the installation of 406 ELTs, and it's not certain if they ever will. It's up to individual owners to decide if they want to take advantage of a finely-tuned SAR system, or entrust their lives to something else.
Actually as of Jan 1 2005 Turbojet aircraft are required to have an ELT installed that transmits on both 121.5 and 406...and in the case of extended over water flights 2 of these ELT's are required.
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#1015877 - 02/02/08 08:56 AM
Re: Frustrations
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#1015878 - 02/02/08 09:01 AM
Re: Frustrations
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The answers are that this is a really good example of the frustrations we all have as pilots with the quality and performance of those ELTs the FEDs make us buy. In neither case, RB of SF did these darn thing work.
This should not be the case. With todays technology there should be no reason for people to disapear like this.
I do believe this is one of the reasons the new style ELT's are are being installed and shortly the SAR Satellites will not even pick up ELT using frequency 121.5.
I think the new style ELT are better made and much more reliable along with the capabilities for sending the Lat/Long of a crash site to the Satellite and SAR crews having this info within minutes.
Now if the aircraft does go down in water then all bets are off unless the aircraft is carrying a floating ELT released after contact with the water.
It is not easy to locate an ELT that is even working, as they are non-directional (Vanai, I know you already know this but a lot might not) so the new ones are a life raft compared to an innertube.
Only one problem.....I think the avg starting price is around $6,000. Considering their return on investment, should be a no brainer, but a lot more pilots will not buy them, then ones that will.
The light aircraft parachutes have been available for close to 20 years. Lot's of debate, but reliable NTSB reports indicate nearly 300 lives saved.
Problem: there are lot's of opinions but just the cost, about $20,000 to install one in a 172 prevents most pilots from buying one. There are tons of other debatable reasons...but they ahve saved at least 300 or so people.
JJ
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#1015880 - 02/02/08 09:43 AM
Re: Frustrations
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You can afford to fly these planes then makes sense to have the best location device that suits you..(what price do you put on yourself)
About twenty years ago, Bell bicycling helmets had an advertising campaign that said "if you have a $10 head, protect it with a $10 helmet" or something to that effect.
Maybe the same should be said about ELTs. Pilots, how much is your life and your families' piece of mind worth? In the U.S., the problem is that we believe so strongly in individual rights to make these decisions, that this can override the greater societal costs of bad decisions (e.g. the costs of extended SAR missions because of ineffective/failed ELTs). If pilots were required to pay for the costs of SAR via SAR insurance that had premiums tied in part to the effectiveness of the ELT being used, how many pilots would stick with the cheaper and apparently fairly unreliable old style of ELT vs opting for the more expensive satellite based systems?
Shouldn't the average non-pilot taxpayer have a right to expect private planes to be outfitted with the most effective ELT systems that have been proven to greatly reduce SAR costs if their tax dollars are going to be paying the costs of said SAR missions? I know this will be a very unpopular question with private pilots, but it is a fair question to ask. Why should taxpayers be forced to bare increased costs of SAR missions just because some pilots are too cheap to get better ELT systems.
Edited by KenBarbalace (02/02/08 09:45 AM)
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#1015881 - 02/02/08 10:01 AM
Re: test demo for crash lcations flt sim
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I posted a test demo for GE flt sim last night and its gone,
wonder what happened to it? doesnt really matter because it was just a test demo but was curious where it went?
ww
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#1015883 - 02/02/08 10:17 AM
Re: test demo for crash lcations flt sim
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I posted a test demo for GE flt sim last night and its gone,
wonder what happened to it? doesnt really matter because it was just a test demo but was curious where it went?
ww
I found your post here: http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=1106118
It apparently got moved to its own thread.
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#1015884 - 02/02/08 10:26 AM
Re: test demo for crash lcations flt sim
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Did it have a working ELT?
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nope it didnt, Ill bet thats why i cant find it ,,no ELT
but our master searcher Ken found it using his talents, the mans a wizard at what he does,
gonna have to hire him to fix my error 1606 and AVS error on this computer as im scared to death of messing with the registry
ww
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