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so how about Magyar?:

"...Apart from their origins, there is another riddle concerning the Hungarian people: that of their language. The name of the people and the language in their own tongue is MAGYAR. Before discussing relevant facts about the language, certain features of the words Hungarian and Magyar ought to be examined with reference to their usage in English. These two words were used in nineteenth-century English histories dealing with Hungary as follows:

1. 'Hungarian' referred to any native of the kingdom of Hungary regardless of his native tongue, i.e. to include any of the numerous nationalities living in that kingdom.

2. The term 'Magyar' was restricted only to those 'Hungarians' who spoke Hungarian as their native language.*Bertalan Szemere objected to this usage as early as the mid-nineteenth century, cf. his Hungary from 1848 to 1860 (1860) pp. 9-10. It is not difficult to discover the analogy of 'English' and 'British' in this usage, since the latter included those English-speaking peoples who regarded themselves non-English, but who were living in the British Isles. Needless to say, the distinction between 'Hungarian' and 'Magyar' is useless and leads to confusion. Moreover, early in the present century the term 'Magyar' became emotionally loaded. In both British and American usage it was used either to refer to a 'true Hungarian patriot' or, equally often, in a pejorative sense, to signify a 'nationalistic Hungarian'.

The word 'Hungarian' appeared in the English language in the middle of the sixteenth century, derived from the German word which goes back via medieval Latin 'Hungarus' to the Turkic 'onogur', one of the earliest recorded names for the Hungarians. The term means 'ten arrows' and refers to a coalition of ten tribes before the ninth century. It is interesting to note that in most European languages Hungarians are called by derivatives of this name, except for the immediate Slavonic neighbours who have been in contact with the Hungarians ever since the Conquest.

The term 'Magyar' has always been used by the Hungarians to denote themselves and their language (although the early chronicles - written in Latin - preferred the term 'Hungarus', probably to avoid confusion). To summarize the various attempts at cracking its etymology would go far beyond the scope of the present chapter. Most authorities agree, however, that it is a compound word derived from *magi or *mogi plus *eri. The first part is understood to be a proto-Ugrian word denoting 'a male', 'man', or 'people', while the second part is a later formation used with the same semantic content, except that it is a Turkic word according to some authorities. It seems to be a feasible etymology: primitive tribes often call themselves 'people'. Later when the meaning became obscure, or when foreigners constantly called them the *Mogi people - i.e. *mogi-eri - eventually they themselves adopted the term. The word Magyar appeared in English at the end of the eighteenth century only, and was first used extensively by travellers who visited Hungary in the first half of the nineteenth century, and popularized the word in their books.

From the earliest occasions on which Hungary was visited by foreigners, the Hungarian language presented a mystery to them, since it has no recognizable relationship with other European languages. The Hungarians were no less puzzled by their own tongue, and incredible theories were put forward concerning languages to which Hungarian might be related. It was in the late eighteenth century that a learned Hungarian Jesuit, Sajnovics, established the linguistic relationship of Hungarian with the Lappish language spoken in the northern part of Scandinavia, a region which he had visited in connection with his work as an astronomer. This was a discovery that eventually led to the classification of a group of languages called the Finno-Ugrian, with two main branches: the Finnic languages - named after the most important language in the branch: Finnish - and the Ugrian languages with Hungarian as the most significant language in the group. The two branches separated many thousands of years ago, and the relationship between the Finnic and Ugrian branches is less obvious to the linguistically untrained observer than the relationship between English and Sanskrit. The nearest kindred language to Hungarian is Vogul, but an Englishman and a Russian would understand each other more easily than a Hungarian and a Vogul.

The discovery of this relationship gave a new aspect to the mystery of the origin of the Hungarians. Most of the Finno-Ugrian tribes lived in the north of Europe and Asia and were peaceful hunting-fishing people, while the Hungarians were - according to all sources - fierce warriors, much more like the Huns or other nomadic steppe peoples living in the area of the Black Sea, or rather on the vast open space between Europe and China. This seeming contradiction has been reconciled by the hypothesis that Hungarians were the most southern branch of the Finno-Ugrians, and their close and prolonged contact with Turkic people changed their way of life drastically. Linguistic research has presumed the existence of a larger family of languages: the Ural-Altaic, of which the Finno-Ugrian appears to be one subdivision, the various Turkic languages being another.

The Finno-Ugrian origin of the Hungarian language has been successfully proven by the following basic features: the structure of the grammar is similar in all these languages; the complex Hungarian suffix-system can be traced to a common proto-Finno-Ugrian suffix-system; the basic vocabulary can be traced again to a common Finno-Ugrian stock of words which follows a regular pattern in the various shifts of vowels and consonants. Still, Hungarian etymology is a tricky business. The various stages of growth of the vocabulary have been pinpointed, but examination and re-examination of words may always yield new results. It has been generally accepted that various layers of non-Finno-Ugrian words were incorporated into the Hungarian vocabulary. The earliest contacts presumably involved old Iranian and a number of Turkic languages. Words borrowed in the Age of Migration seem to be related to animal husbandry. When the Hungarians conquered the Carpathian basin, numerous Slavonic words were borrowed to cover various aspects of church-life and local administration. In comparatively modern times - from about the Middle Ages - Latin and German have been the most important European languages to enrich the Hungarian vocabulary. In our own day many English words - particularly in the field of the sciences - have become part of standard Hungarian.

It is disquieting, though, that a proportionally significant part of the Hungarian lexical stock is of unknown etymology. There are various theories to explain this. These words - mostly abstract verbs and nouns - could still be of Finno-Ugrian origin, except that they survive in no other Finno-Ugrian languages, or may have been distorted even beyond the recognition of trained linguists. Since there were a great number of languages spoken on the steppes about which we have no knowledge at all - in a few cases only their names are known - these mysterious loanwords could have come from any of these languages; there are words even in English which successfully defy all attempts to find their etymology, in spite of the fact that the etymology of English words has never been a tiresome subject..."

LÓRÁNT CZIGÁNY:
A HISTORY OF HUNGARIAN LITERATURE
From the Earliest Times to the mid-1970's
(The Book in English)

related from GEC:
some interesting about hungarian
Tibet by Alexander Csoma de Kőrös
Giants of Hungarian Literature
Hungarians swept abroad
Sonidus Ethnographical Archives
slovak commons and the székely runes
Hungarian Regional Embroideries
yurt culture - the way of the hungarian
Kurgans of Hungary

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http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/7051/MAGYAR.htm
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http://www.maghar.hu/tamana/
http://www.kitalaltkozepkor.hu/vtb_as_tamana.html
tamana calendar by Dr Vámos-Tóth Bátor
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http://www.mariaorszaga.hu/
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http://www.arvisura.van.hu/keret.cgi?/arvisigaz.htm
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Did you know that the word Hallo is also a Hungarian word? "Hallod?" means: Do you hear me? while "Hallom." means: I can hear you. It was first used by Tivadar Pusk�s inventor of the Telephone exchange in 1877.


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That's a great clarification. Most people think the words Hungary and Hungarian are derivatives of "Hun". But it is not. Huns are completely different. You are right. Actually, it is the derivative of "Onoğur" which symbolizes the group with ten arrows (on=ten / oğuz=arrow) (different than the western culture, the naming tradition is not based on their territories but on some holy and/or heroic concepts/symbols one of which is arrow. -a long story). The best way to easily explain what "arrow" in concrete meaning is is to re-translate it as "power" or "leadershipness of a clan" (no leader but an acknowledged leading ability-and-right of a clan). It has nothing to do with "governance"**.

Oğur is Oğuz, the name of the largest body of the Turkic* people. Turkic people in western territories use a dialect that changes the letter "z" to "r". So, the Onoğuz people migrated to the west were called there as Onogur.

The branch that is the core of today's Hungarian people is "Ugor"s (Ugrians, as you call) of Fin-Ugors. When the Onoguzs reached the area, they combined and named themselves as Manysi-er. Magyars migrated further west after Pecheneks became dominant to push the tribes.

Today, only Hungarians and Turkish* people call Magyars as Magyars and that means a big distortion of the history.

* In fact, the term "Turkic" is also wrong. There is no definition in that sense. "Turkic" is a word that the western literature has found to suit the case to their own way of understanding.
For instance, let's take the name of my country. The name "T�rkiye" is also ambigious. Actually, "Turk" in Turkish means 'the one who has the civic, holy understading and divine'. It does not imply any nationality. The name "T�rkiye" is indeed Arabic. There is no terminology in Turkish to name a land as Turkish because Turk does not imply to any peoples.

Similarly, all these names of ...-stan countries are not Turkish names. That suffix is Persian.

The tradition is that each State/government of clans named their territories with words of ordinary daily life usage or with the name of some kind of holy alliance. The culture doesn't fit to the western naming conventions.

Further, the clans were not divided like it is understood in western literature. The confusion is the result of the archeologists and historians who tried to translate the ancient scripts without knowing anything about Turkish. Hope new studies and mutual understanding will clear all these confusions.

** Government and "arrows" of clans are also often confused. In fact, they are different and mostly clash though the leaders of clans tended to form a government. Clans migrated and supported other states while governments' faith was to be destroyed by another alliance.

many studies of history, language and general culture prooves the opposite.
here is one i have found in PDF format:

Hunnic-Hungarian Etymological Word List
(based on the editions of the Isfahan codex by Dr. Csaba Detre and Imre Pet )
BY PROF. DR. ALFRÉD TÓTH
Mikes International
The Hague, Holland
2007.

"Introduction
According to the results of independent archeology, history and philology, the Scythians entered the
Carpathian basin from 130 B.C., the Huns from 361 A.D, and the Avars from 586 A.D. According to
their common myths all three people originate from Mesopotamia, thus from the Sumerians who
started to flee their homeland since the 19th century B.C., when the Babylonians, Kassites, Assyrians
and other people attacked the Euphrates-Tigris area. According to archeological research from the
second part of the 19th century, the Transylvanian Tordos culture shows striking parallels to the
Sumerian Uruk Warka IV and Jemdet Nasr cultures and dates from the 6th millennium B.C., hence
about 2 millennia before the Sumerian cultures. We thus have to conclude first that the founders of the
first high culture on earth, the Sumerians, originated in Transylvania and second that Sumerians
emigrated in several waves back to the Carpathian basin. From these facts (and not from nationalistic
reasons), the Hungarian Continuity Theory (HCT) can be formulated as follows:
“The origins of the Hungarians can be traced back to Ancient Mesopotamia through the Sumerian-
Scythian-Hun-Avar-Magyar ethno-linguistic continuity, which, together with the evidence of the
archeological artifacts of Sumerian origin found in the Carpathian Basin, indicates that the ancestors of
the Hungarians were the first permanent settlers of the Carpathian Basin.” (Károly Dombi)
The continuity of the Hungarians and their ancestors in the Carpathian basin was also proved
anthropologically by the late Professor Grover S. Krantz (1988), yet without recurring to the Sumerian
origin of the people concerned."
...
"Conclusion
We have found a phonetically and semantically satisfying etymology for practically all Hunnic words
taken from Dr. Detre’s excerpt of the Isfahan codex. The debatable cases have been markes by “[?]”.
21 Hunnic words do not have a Hungarian cognate. Hunnic often shows intial prosthetic
(unetymological) v-/w-, where the oldest Hungarian testimonies do not. In many cases different
Sumerian stems (words) have been amalgameted in Hunnic, while they are different in Hungarian. Also
the huge number of diphthongues in Hunnic is astonishing, while they lack in the oldest testimonies of
the correspondent Hungarian words. This, however, can be due to the fact, that the Isfahan codex is
written in Armenian that has 38 and thus almost twice as many consonants as Hunnic had or
Hungarian has. Thus, about phonetics we can generally only speculate, since the orthography may
distort the once actual phonology. Morphologically, Hunnic has the deminutive suffix –r that does not
exist in Hungarian. Also in the field of postpositions, Hunnic goes quite different ways than Hungarian
did and does. We come to the conclusion that the language shown in the Isfahan codex is not early
Hungarian, but a language of its own that we have the right to call “Hunnic”. Hunnic, however, turns
out to be very close to Hungarian, testified the first time in the “Halotti Beszéd” from the 12th century
A.D. The possible etymological parallels between Hunnic and Turkic and/or Mongolian that have been
stipulated already over one hundred years ago are not due to direct genetical relationship between
Hunnic and Hungarian but to their common ancestor language: Sumerian.
The word-equation Sum. di-bi-id = Hunnic tüve = Hungarian teve “camel” together with the fact
that camels are proven by archeology to have lived in the Carpathian basin until approximately the 12th
century, that no other neighboring language has a similar word for the camel and that this is not a
“Wanderwort”, this alone proves the continuity between the Huns and the Hungarians that is shown in
the present study by aid of some additional hundred words more. At the time when the Huns started to
enter the Carpathian basin, in the 4th century A.D., there were no Slavic people there. Thus, because of
the Hunnic-Hungarian word-equations, many corrections to alleged Slavonic etymologies presented in
the common etymological dictionaries of Hungarian are necessary. The same is true for alleged Turkish
borrowings. In many cases, we could prove that not Hungarian has borrowed these words, but that
they have been borrowed by neighboring languages from Hungarian or Hunnic.
Given the archeological, philological and historical proofs and the Sumerian-Scythian and Avaric
etymologies already published by other researchers, with the present study that fills the “Hunnic gap”
in the Scythian-Hun-Avar-Magyar ethno-linguistic continuity, there cannot be any serious doubt
anymore that the Hungarian Continuity Theory (HCT) is a historical truth and not a nationalisticideological
phantasy."

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Camel (t�ve / teve) is called as "deve" here.

Theories based on lingual findings can be illusive. Clans that had lower culture have always been affected by the others. Further, tradesmen or group of warriors inhabited in far lands for specific aims change the culture, language and technology in the area, as well. Further, there can be backwards improvements. Therefore, the relations must be based on archeological foundings and scripts on concrete materials that relate to each other.

Theories in Turkey that relate Sumerian and Turkish culture have been invalidated in recent decades. I don't know what their bases were. Nor do I know how they were invalidaded. I may post here when I find anything. But it is certain that to many people, claiming Sumerians as their achestors is very "exciting" (I refer to those here in Turkey). I hardly believe in it since Sumerian social formation is nothing similar to those of Turkish.

Now, all the signs, icons, scripts and writings in lands stretching from the Pacifics to Portugal are being reinvestigated and they are found fitting to something similar, as the group scientists who do this effort argue. Especially those that could not be translated by the XIX. century historians are interesting. The more interesting thing is that the XIX. century translations that produce no logical meaning are being retranslated in accordance with "deep-Turkish lingual common culture" (I cannot find any term to express this) by Turkish archeologists from various countries and they make sense anymore. They make sense when they are based on and/or derived from the archeological and climatic discoveries. But they say a mass of information and foundings in the XX. century are kept secret by Russians, and no mention about the Chinese.

Therefore, everything we know can prove wrong in a near future.

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agree with you however...
...the clues are gathering:



"The first mention of the Hungarian "Székely-rovás" script we can find in Gesta Hungarorum, written in Latin language, about 1283 by Simon Kézai, the Court priest of King Laszló Kún the 4-th. He wrote: "...the Székelys (the Magyars of the Eastern Transylvania), who are the remnants of the Huns (Zakuli Hunnorum sunt residui), won a portion in the frontiers of the mountains together with Blaks, and by fusing together with them, as they say, used their letters as well...". (The Blaks are an inner-Asiatic people - Bibl.[1] *Note of the translator: linguistic clues rather suggest they were Vallachs related to the Gallo-Roman people.)

Márk Kálti in the 14th century wrote: "the Székelys who did not forget the Scythian letters, do not write on paper, but score into tallies...". Later Antonio Bonfini, in the time of the king Mátyás, described the Hungarian rovás: "...the Székelys use Scythian letters, and with few marks, express a lots of meanings...". János Telegdi but, around year 1598 wrote: "in the land of Székelys, the runic writing was still taught in the schools".

In older times they spoke only about the "Székely" runic script, because this relic mainly came from the land of Székelys, or Transylvania. Today we see, that the rovás script, as a carrier of an ancient culture, occurs in the whole area of the Carpathian Basin, and even outside, where the Hun ancestors once lived. In the past, the rovás script was widespread, and today we can find it on different media: stone, wood, parchment. The most frequent places, oddly are the Christian churches, despite of a fact, that with the arrival of Christianity, the church spread the Latin language and script, and discouraged the use of the runes.

Unfortunately, the church was not the only enemy of the rovás script. The Árpád dynasty kings, have seen the ancient Hungarian religion and the rovás as a threat to the nation's unity, and prosecuted the carriers. By the 17th century, all the memory of the rovás has gone, except in Transylvania, where the kings' influence was far less. It was a big surprise, to rediscover it, in the "Land of Székelys" were the shepherds still used it.

HERE are some of the most important relics - or their authentic copies - of the Hungarian rovás script, without claim of completeness of the list."

Hungarian runes on wikipedia

great page in hungarian

rune converter by ELTE

The Old Hungarian 'Lamentations of Mary' (OHLM) (Hungarian: �magyar M�ria-siralom) is the oldest extant Hungarian poem, copied in about 1300 into a Latin codex, similarly to the first coherent written Hungarian text (Halotti besz�d; Funeral Oration), which was written down between 1192 and 1195. Its text is a translation or adaptation of a version of the poem or rather sequence beginning Planctus ante nescia... that was quite widespread in medieval Europe.

The intresting thing is that Hungarian language changed very bit since the ancient times. So we can still read and understand the text that was written in the 12th century. At least for me this means that ancient Hungarian language was simply perfect.

Edit:
Find the text in Tek's reply. Thanks Tek!

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I put them in a table, Villa.

(In English) Lamentations of Mary I did not know the lament yet, Now lament gashes, Ache lacerates, languishes. Jews, from my light, Separate me from my son, My sweet delight. O my sweet Lord, My only one son, Look at the crying mother, Withdraw her from her pain! From my eyes tears are flooding, My heart tires from torment, Your blood's falling, My heart's languishing. World's light, Flower's flower, They torment you bitterly, They pierce you with iron nails! Woe to me, my son, Sweet as honey, Your beauty turns to ugliness, Your blood falls like water! My lament, my prayer, Can be seen from outside, My heart's inner ache Never abates. Take me, death, Let my only one to live, Keep him, my Lord, Whom the world should fear! O for the just Simeon's Certain word reached me, I can feel this dagger of pain, What long ago he foretold. May I not be separated from you, Staying alive, When they are tormenting you, My son, to death! Jew, what you do is lawless! My son died, but he is guiltless! Clenched, hitched him, Plummered, bound him, You killed him! Have mercy on my son, No mercy for me, Or with the torment of death, The mother with her own son, Kill them together!

�magyar M�ria-siralom (original text) Volek syrolm thudothlon syrolmol sepedyk. buol ozuk epedek. Walasth vylagumtul sydou fyodumtul ezes urumemtuul. O en eses urodum eggen yg fyodum, syrou aniath thekunched buabeleul kyniuhhad. Scemem kunuel arad, en iunhum buol farad the werud hullothya en iunhum olelothya Vylag uilaga viragnac uiraga. keseruen kynzathul uos scegegkel werethul. Vh nequem en fyon ezes mezuul Scegenul scepsegud wirud hioll wyzeul. Syrolmom fuhazatum therthetyk kyul en iumhumnok bel bua qui sumha nym kyul hyul Wegh halal engumet eggedum illen maraggun urodum, kyth wylag felleyn O ygoz symeonnok bezzeg scouuo ere en erzem ez buthuruth kyt niha egyre. Tuled ualmun de num ualallal hul yg kynzassal, Fyom halallal. Sydou myth thez turuentelen fyom merth hol byuntelen fugwa huztuzwa wklelue kethwe ulud. Keguggethuk fyomnok ne leg kegulm mogomnok owog halal kynaal anyath ezes fyaal egembelu ullyetuk.

�magyar M�ria-siralom (pronunciation by Dezs� Pais) Vol�k sirolm tudotlon. Sirolmol sepedik, buol oszuk, epedek, V�laszt vil�gumtuul, zsidou fiodumtuul, �zes �r�memt��l. � �n �zes urodum, eggyen-igy fiodum, s�rou any�t tek�ncsed, buabele�l kinyuhhad! Szemem k�ny�el �rad, junhum buol f�rad. Te v�r�d hullottya �n junhum ol�lottya. Vil�g vil�ga, vir�gnak vir�ga, keser�en kinzatul, vos szegekkel veret�l! Uh nekem, �n fiom, �zes m�z��l, sz�gyen�l sz�ps�g�d, v�r�d hioll vize�l. Sirolmom, fuh�szatum tertetik ki�l, �n junhumnok bel bua, ki sumha nim hi�l. V�gy hal�l eng�met, eggyed�m �llyen, maraggyun urodum, kit vil�g f�llyen! �, igoz Simeonnok bezzeg szovo �re: �n �rzem ez b�t�r�t, kit n�ha eg�re. T��led v�lnum; de n�m val�llal, hul igy kinzass�l, fiom, hal�llal! Zsidou, mit t�ssz t�rv�ntelen, Fiom mert hol bi�ntelen. Fugv�, husztuzv�, �klelv�, ketv� �l�d! Kegy�ggyet�k fiomnok, ne l�gy kegy�lm mogomnok! Ovogy hal�l kin�al any�t �zes fi�al egyembel� �lly�t�k!

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Thanks Villa for the great example and tek for the nice table!
Here is my favorite old-hungarian text i know off-book in ancient dialect.

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The Funeral Sermon and Prayer (Hungarian: Halotti beszéd és könyörgés) is an old handwritten Hungarian text dating to 1192-1195. It was found on the 154a. page of the Codex Pray.

The importance of the Funeral Sermon comes from that it is the oldest surviving Hungarian text (although the first records of Hungarian are in a charter dated to 997). The whole sermon has two parts: the sermon's text (26 lines and 227 words) and the prayer (6 lines and 47 words). If one does not count repeated words, there are 190 individual terms in the script. The work was written after a Latin version (whilst the Hungarian edition is a particular writing rather than a translation). Since 1813, the manuscript has been kept in Budapest, Hungary.


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the sermon's text without the prayer:

Old Hungarian
Latiatuc feleym zumtuchel mic vogmuc. ysa pur es chomuv uogmuc. Menyi milosztben terumteve eleve miv isemucut adamut. es odutta vola neki paradisumut hazoa. Es mend paradisumben uolov gimilcictul munda neki elnie. Heon tilutoa wt ig fa gimilce tvl. Ge mundoa neki meret nu eneyc. ysa ki nopun emdul oz gimiltstwl. halalnec halalaal holz. Hadlaua choltat terumteve istentul. ge feledeve. Engede urdung intetvinec. es evec oz tiluvt gimiltstwl. es oz gimiltsben halalut evec. Es oz gimiltsnek vvl keseruv uola vize. hug turchucat mige zocoztia vola. Num heon muga nec. ge mend w foianec halalut evec. Horogu vec isten. es veteve wt ez munkas vilagbele. es levn halalnec es poculnec feze. es mend w nemenec. Kic ozvc. miv vogmuc

Hungarian (slightly archaic)
Látjátok, feleim, szemetekkel, mik vagyunk! Íme, por és hamu vagyunk. Mennyi malasztban teremté először (a) mi ősünket, Ádámot, és adta vala neki (a) Paradicsomot házául. És mind (a) Paradicsomban való gyümölcsből, mondá neki, éljen. Híján [csupán] tiltá őt egy fa gyömülcsétől. De mondá neki, miért ne ennék: "Íme, ki [mely] napon eszel az gyümölcsből, halálnak halálával halsz." Hallá holtát teremtő Istenétől, de feledé. Engede (az) Ördög intésének, és evék az tiltott gyümölcsből, és az gyümölcsben halált evék. És az gyümölcsnek oly keserű vala (a) vize [leve], hogy (a) torkukat megszakasztja vala. Nem híján [csupán] magának, de mind (az) ő (egész) fajának halált evék. Haraguvék Isten, és veté őt ez munkás világba, és lõn (a) halálnak és pokolnak fészke, és mind (az) ő (egész) nemének. Kik azok? Mi vagyunk.

English
Thou see, my brethren, with thy eyes, what we are! Lo (and behold), we are dust and ashes. His divine grace he (God) first made our ancestor, Adam, and given him the Paradise for his home. And on all the fruits of the Paradise, he (God) bade him, to liveth. Forbidding the fruit of one tree only. Yet telling him, why he shall not eat: "Lo (and behold), on the day you eat of this fruit, shall thou die the death of deaths." He had heard of his death from his Creator-God, yet he forgot. He yielded to the Devil's allurement, and ate of the forbidden fruit, and in that fruit he partook of death. And so bitter was the juice of that fruit, it burst their throats. Not only for himself, but for all his race he ate death. In anger, God cast him into this world of toil, and he became the nest of death and damnation, for all his kind. Who shalt be those? We are them.

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The Mesopotamian colonization of Turkestan in around 3800-3700 BCE started also from the area of Urmia Lake is already scientifically proven. These colonies played important role in the creation of the Hunnish people and writing. Huns thought Chinese to writing in about 2800-2700 BCE. The first Central Asian rov�s reminiscences were found exactly in Xinjiang, China the borderland of Gobi Desert in two round graves from the 3rd millennia, the time of Chinese dynasty Xia, The graves kept Europid, blonde people, sawed pants, leader shoes and felt hat. The found carved writings identified as "Tielo, or Hunnish" by Chinese scholars. These are the findings already analysed from genetic point of view, as evidences of the Eastern colonization and move from Mesopotamia.

Today's Western culture is based on Roman sources, being inheritors of Etrurians both in architecture, culture, and basic state organization. The origin of Etrurians is mostly unknown. However any laic or scholar Hungarian can get an inevitable answer observing archaeological findings written in Etrurian runic writing. The one to one similarity with the Hungarian rov�s and even more, with the Hungarian language is so big, that based on this high rate of likeliness, we can say, the Etrurian and the Hungarian language is the same. The next conclusion even being to weird is that Etrurian culture is the culture of old Hungarians. Romans took over from the old Hungarian culture that was handed over to today's "West".


Hungarian runes


Etruscan runes

Aside from physiology, recent genetic research has provided clues about national origins and kinships. The CMH haplotype is the most common haplotype among Iraqi Kurds, Southern and Central Italians and Hungarians. Within the blood group system attributed to Landsteiner, the rate of the typically Hungarian "0" and "B" blood types (31.05% and 17.90%) is off from that of Indo-European and Finno-Ugric nations, but is within the range found among Central Asian Turkic nations. Besides this, there is another blood type among Hungarians, the Diego [A+], present in no other people of Europe. The "Mongolian spot", almost unknown in Europe, has 22.6% occurrence, and Lactose intolerance (missing lactose digestive enzyme), rare elsewhere, is at 37% among Hungarians, as in Central Asia. The skin splinter system of Hungarians has Central Asian characteristic (low bend rates, but high vortices). The Gm-marker research pointed out that the Gm abst and Gm afb3 gene markers occurring among Hungarians are missing among other European populations. International Mitochondrial DNA research has also recently identified additional Central Asian characteristics among Hungarians. Hungarians had to come from Central Asia or had to be in contact with the Central Asian nations to the genetic results, also supporting the concepts based on historical reports, that the main groups of the people forming the Hungarian nations had to be somewhere in the land of the Fertile Crescent and Central Asia, among Sumerians, Sabir, As-Alans, Yazigs, and their descendants.

The results also prove the possible role of Hungarians in the Mediterranean expansions from the Eastern banks to West, explaining the Tzekel-Sicul-Sz�kely similarities and the possible Etruscan connection.


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• http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruszkok
  
• dr. Kiszely Istv�n: A Magyarok �st�rt�nete, K�be V�sett �s F�ba �rt T�rt�nelem
  
• http://www.1000ev.hu/1
  
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• http://istvandr.kiszely.hu/ostortenet
  
• http://studentorgs.utexas.edu/husa/origins/genetics.magyar.html