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#1200574 - 02/19/09 02:18 AM GE reveals secret history of US base in Pakistan ****
Groovy23 Offline
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The US was secretly flying unmanned drones from the Shamsi airbase in Pakistan's southwestern province of Baluchistan as early as 2006, according to an image of the base from Google Earth.


The Shamsi airbase in 2006 with three drones apparently visible


A recent image of the same base


The image that is no longer on the site but which was obtained by The News, Pakistan's English language daily newspaper shows what appear to be three Predator drones outside a hangar at the end of the runway. The Times also obtained a copy of the image, whose co-ordinates confirm that it is the Shamsi airfield, also known as Bandari, about 200 miles southwest of the Pakistani city of Quetta.

An investigation by The Times yesterday revealed that the CIA was secretly using Shamsi to launch the Predator drones that observe and attack al-Qaeda and Taleban militants around Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

US special forces used the airbase during the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, but the Pakistani Government said in 2006 that the Americans had left. Both sides have since denied repeatedly that Washington has used, or is using, Pakistani bases to launch drones. Pakistan has also demanded that the US cease drone attacks on its tribal area, which have increased over the last year, allegedly killing several high-value targets as well as many civilians.

The Google Earth image now suggests that the US began launching Predators from Shamsi built by Arab sheiks for falconry trips at least three years ago.

The advantage of Shamsi is that it provides a discreet launchpad within minutes of Quetta a known Taleban staging post as well as Taleban infiltration routes into Afghanistan and potential militant targets farther afield.

Google Earth's current image of Shamsi about 100 miles south of the Afghan border and 100 miles east of the Iranian one undoubtedly shows the same airstrip as the image from 2006.

There are no visible drones, but it does show that several new buildings and other structures have been erected since 2006, including what appears to be a hangar large enough to fit three drones. Perimeter defences apparently made from the same blast-proof barriers used at US and Nato bases in Afghanistan have also been set up around the hangar.

A compound on the other side of the runway appears to have sufficient housing for several dozen people, as well as neatly tended lawns. Three military aviation experts shown the image said that the aircraft appeared to be MQ1 Predator unmanned aerial vehicles the model used by the CIA to observe and strike militants on the Afghan border.

The MQ1 Predator carries two laser-guided Hellfire missiles, and can fly for up to 454 miles, at speed of up to 135mph, and at altitudes of up to 25,000ft, according to the US Air Force website www.af.mil

The News reported that the drones were Global Hawks which are generally used only for reconnaissance, flying for up to 36 hours, at more than 400mph and an altitude of up to 60,000ft. Damian Kemp, an aviation editor with Jane's Defence Weekly, said that the three drones in the image appeared to have wingspans of 48-50ft.

The wingspan of an MQ1 Predator A model is 55ft. On this basis it is possible that these are Predator-As, he said. They are certainly not RQ-4A Global Hawks (which have a wingspan of 116ft 2in).

Pakistan's only drones are Italian Galileo Falcos, which were delivered in 2007, according to a report in last month's Jane's World Air Forces.

A military spokesman at the US Embassy in Islamabad declined to comment on the images or the revelations in The Times yesterday.

Major-General Athar Abbas, Pakistan's chief military spokesman, was not immediately available for comment. He admitted on Tuesday that US forces were using Shamsi, but only for logistics.

He also said that the Americans were using another air base in the city of Jacobabad for logistics and military operations. Pakistan gave the US permission to use Shamsi, Jacobabad and two other bases Pasni and Dalbadin for the invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001.

The image of the US drones at Shamsi highlights the extraordinary power and potential security risks of Google Earth.

Several governments have asked it to remove or blur images of sensitive locations such as military bases, nuclear reactors and government buildings. Some have also accused the company of helping terrorists, as in 2007, when its images of British military bases were found in the homes of Iraqi insurgents.

Last year India said that the militants who attacked Mumbai in November had used Google Earth to familiarise themselves with their targets. Google Street View, which offers ground-level, 360-degree views, also ran into controversy last year when the Pentagon asked it to remove some online images of military bases in America.

Source: Times Online


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#1200625 - 02/19/09 09:33 AM Re: GE reveals secret history of US base in Pakistan [Re: Groovy23]
spotter2 Offline
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Registered: 12/28/08
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Great find, it got me wondering if there was a way to confirm that Predators were still at the base. Well, sometimes you don't have to see the actual aircraft to know that they're there, other clues can give the show away. Unfortunately the medium resolution of the pictures doesn't positively show the control trailers and satellite uplink dishes, but it does show something else.
First of all, there are the THREE new hangers, all three are very large, more than big enough for the wingspan of the Predator. Then I looked at the storage yard to the northeast of the hangers. There are some large, uniquely proportioned shipping containers there. Here's a screenshot.


By nelson2u at 2009-02-19

Here are the three new giant hangers.


By nelson2u at 2009-02-19 link http://www.globalsecurity.org/

Just to the east of the new hangers I found these triangular objects.


By nelson2u at 2009-02-19

Now compare these things with some screenshots of the Grey Butte UAV facility in California, where General Atomics test flies drones before they're taken apart and shipped to their customers. First here are some shipping containers at Grey Butte, these are used to transport the Predator UAV.


By nelson2u at 2009-02-19

And here are some triangular shaped shipping containers at Grey Butte.


By nelson2u at 2009-02-19

Here are some closeup screenshots of the triangular shipping containers at Grey Butte.


By nelson2u at 2009-02-19 link http://maps.live.com/

And a closeup of the Predator shipping containers at Grey Butte.


By nelson2u at 2009-02-19 link http://maps.live.com/

All of the measurements and dimensions check out, I have no doubt that these are identical objects. After reviewing the magazine articles and some other sources I conclude that yes, we are still flying Predators out of that base, but the Pakistan authorities are publicly denying it, no doubt they are concerned about public opinion in Pakistan if they admitted the United States is flying assassination missions out of there.





Edited by spotter2 (02/19/09 09:47 AM)
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#1200763 - 02/20/09 06:01 AM 1st class detective work! [Re: spotter2]
smokeonit Offline
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Registered: 12/09/05
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guy's thanks for this awesome detective work!

VERY interesting...!
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#1205689 - 03/14/09 07:54 AM Re: GE reveals secret history of US base in Pakistan [Re: spotter2]
Stan567 Offline
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Registered: 10/14/07
Posts: 312
Loc: France
Nice job guys.
These hangars have a pretty strange looking.
They are probably a kind of deployable shelter, comparable to the one specifically designed for the B-2 (B2SS): http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/xldahs-pics.htm

Predator "coffin" container :


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