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#196273 - 11/22/05 02:05 PM Forthcoming updates and New projects *** [Re: purblind_horus]
purblind_horus Offline
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Registered: 10/31/05
Posts: 15
Thanks for all the feedback... I'm glad that so many have taken interest in this.

FYI -

I haven't had time to strike a deal with icausualties.org about direct access to their data for a dynamically generated, always up-to-date version of this layer... so in the mean time I'm looking to do a manual update after Thanksgiving. I'd had some volunteer help to flesh out and make corrects on some of the UK data, so that is on the way as well.


I am also still working on the Iraqi civilian/military causualties... although the problem of sheer numbers is still daunting. I'm learning more and more about kml, and ways to keep each xml record down (grouping points, etc), so hopefully this will become a reality some time soon.



>Any good sources of data like this available for Afghanistan and prior wars such as Vietnam, Korea, WWII, etc?

There have also been inquiries about making similiar layers for other wars (WWII, Vietnam, etc). I have been checking out the US National Archives (http://www.archives.gov/) and there seems to be available data (war causualties info anf otherwise) that I'm considering Googl-izing, including:

- WWII POW info
- Vietnam causualties and POW info
- Korean War causualties and POW info
- WWII Japanese American Internment info
- US National Natural Landmarks

Let me know if you have any suggestions/data sources!

sean

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#196274 - 12/04/05 10:31 AM Re: Challenges with 30K Iraqi causualties [Re: purblind_horus]
echodawg Offline
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Registered: 10/20/05
Posts: 106
Loc: bet you can't guess! ; )
I understand that you don't want to have a single placemark equal 10 or so deaths
but how about a single icon with 10 or so smaller images(Crescent moon and star---equivelent of christian crosses I think) within the placemark it's self? you can size the placemark accordingly. The bubble could include number of people, date, what happend, ect as I'm sure you wouldn't be able to come up with names and such.

This was my first thought but it is way too flowery!
But It gets the idea across I think.



BTW, I hope I didn't do anything to offend anyone with this image! I know little about the Muslim religion.

It is meant to honor and respect!
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#196275 - 12/05/05 03:07 PM Re: War Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 [Re: purblind_horus]
dragons50 Offline
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Registered: 11/19/05
Posts: 167
Loc: Southlake,TX
Dude, not only is that depressing but it s also really cool, how do get all the time to compile this stuff, ???
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#196276 - 12/18/05 10:21 AM Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 [Re: purblind_horus]
the1gip Offline
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Registered: 12/18/05
Posts: 3
With all due respect:

Why is there a great big vertical line of names stretching over the landscape of Britain between London, northwards, as far as Welwyn Garden City and Hertford? What you are doing may well be a good idea, but it seems that you have arbitrarily placed those British casualties whose city is unknown in a great big ugly line right over the landscape. Thus, when I turn on the GEC layer, this misplaced line sticks out like a sore thumb. No matter what one's opinions of the war are, this amounts to no more than Internet graffiti and spoils people's enjoyment of viewing the GEC placemarks.

Any correspondence appreciated.

Adam

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#196277 - 12/18/05 11:16 AM Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/200 [Re: the1gip]
Periboob Offline
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Registered: 05/06/03
Posts: 1983
Loc: Missouri, US
Quote:

With all due respect:

..., this amounts to no more than Internet graffiti and spoils people's enjoyment of viewing the GEC placemarks.

Any correspondence appreciated.

Adam




Expand the GEC folder, and uncheck the military. Then you will not have to look at the "graffiti".

Also, at the risk of overtasking the folks who actualy have to do the work, I hereby nominate Purblind Horus' work for its own separate GEC layer sub-folder. I think the ability to turn these placemarks on and off as a separate block adds significantly to the impact. ...Click-a clear view of the earth...click again-the view is covered with the lists of the dead. No one should be allowed to forget how many there are, and that each marker represents is a real person.
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#196278 - 12/19/05 10:45 PM Appreciation for this post [Re: purblind_horus]
USMCgunrock Offline
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Registered: 12/06/05
Posts: 11
Loc: Los angeles county, California
It's hard to put into words the form of emotion that I've found choking my throat upon viewing the work you've undertaken. You have done more than most in putting a form of humanity to each name and number that we have lost these past years. For myself, not a day goes by that i'm overcome by memories of the time spent in Iraq. Some good, some bad, every single one burned into my being because of what was shared out there in a hostile and alien world. So far from home.... It's like the movie "Jarhead" says about forever walking through that desert. How true that is. I will always have a portion of my soul gripped in the reality of my experiences there. I viewed your work and looked once more at the smiling face of one of my closest friends, struggling against the flood of emotion. The flood of tears. You have shown that one way or another, there are always people out there who care for the fallen and the families they left behind. I thank you wholeheartedly for helping to rekindle this thought in my own wounded soul. I'm sure you've heard more than your share of thanks, but I wanted to let you know.
I'm sure that God and men will tell you "Well done......"

I salute you.

Semper Fidelis

Andrew

Lcpl. USMC

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#196279 - 12/21/05 10:42 AM Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/200 [Re: the1gip]
Felix_The_Cat Offline
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Registered: 08/26/05
Posts: 14
Quote:

With all due respect:

Why is there a great big vertical line of names stretching over the landscape of Britain between London, northwards, as far as Welwyn Garden City and Hertford?





Would have to second with that point completely. Looks bizarre, and rather lazy.

Looking at and reading some of the entries for UK casualties, just 10 mins casual research would have allowed the location for each one to be accurately plotted.

eg; Yorkshire, England... is no where near London. Berkshire, England is west of London, Cornwall is the far south west of England... That's taken me all of 60 seconds to locate.

Its a laudable goal but lets get it correct. If you need a hand finding places in England, just ask.

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#196280 - 12/21/05 12:42 PM Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 [Re: purblind_horus]
KingConn Offline
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Registered: 07/25/05
Posts: 1374
Loc: Lawrenceville
This should be put into the "Community Showcase" layer

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#196281 - 12/21/05 01:48 PM Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/200 [Re: the1gip]
Frank_McVey Moderator Offline
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Registered: 07/22/05
Posts: 5489
Consider it a work in progress. Bear in mind that Sean has not just had to document the 98 UK- based men and women killed, he has also had the considerable task of doing the same for more than 2000 others world-wide.

The research and coding work to give each of the UK people a face and to "send them home" has largely been done and simply has to be implemented. I presume that Sean's complementary work on the Iraqi casualties has delayed this.

I regret that you perceive elements of Sean's sincere work to "amount to no more than Internet graffiti". Perhaps when you see its fruition you may be able to put it in a more reasonable perspective.

Meanwhile, simply follow Periboob's suggestion and disable the Military section in the GEC Layer.

Cheers

Frank

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#196282 - 12/24/05 10:38 PM Re: US / Coalition Casualites in Iraq to 10/27/2005 [Re: purblind_horus]
jadapo2003usa Offline
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Registered: 12/24/05
Posts: 22
Dear jadapo2003usa,

First rule of this forum (and this BBS) is that you will not attack, flame, slam or otherwise malign any other member. In keeping with that rule, your remarks to the OP have been removed. While your opinion is every bit as valuable as any other members', you are not allowed to express your displeasure with his posting by insulting, namecalling or personal attacks. Have a great day, and feel free to stop by and post again.

Regards,


Chief Sparky


Edited by Chief_Sparky (12/24/05 10:45 PM)

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