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#319427 - 08/08/06 02:47 AM Re: Nakba- A Naive Israeli?? ** [Re: vasechek]
simon_pdavid Offline
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Registered: 01/30/06
Posts: 8
Maybe because Arab Israelis have this wonderful thing called Israel citizenship, which allows them to vote.

if you treat people like citizens, they act like citizens, surprise surprise

However a few hundred metres east there are another 3 million Arabs who are rules by Israel but do not have Israeli citizenship. They are locked up in cantons which are virtually open air prisons, they don';t have freedom of movement, they don't have recourse to a civil legal system, and their property can be seized at any time. That is where the hatred comes from.

I must say however that even Arab Israelis are discriminated against :
- They are not allowed to live in the 93% of the state of Israel that is controlled by the Jewish National Fund.
- they are ineligible for a share of any of the funds that flow to Israel through zionist organisations
- 400 of their villages today are not officially recognised as towns by the interior ministry, meaning they don't get electricity. There are bedouin villages in the Negev still using oil lamps.
- they are not allowed to marry anyone from the Arab world, if they want to live together in Israel. Whereas a Jewish Israeli can bring their whole family to Israel as a matter of right
- They are not allowed to build or extend houses on their own land, without a permit (which is practice impossible to obtain). Result is that there is an effective cap on their population growth
- Arabs generate 35% of the Jerusalem tax base yet receive only 8% of the government spending on services
- The party that came third in the recent Israeli elections ran on a platform of expelling arab Israelis from the country

I could go on....

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#319428 - 08/08/06 08:44 AM Re: Nakba- A Naive Israeli?? [Re: simon_pdavid]
scottkarin Offline
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Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 30
Hey Mods - are you really going to let this political discussion continue in this thread? This has no place here on Google Earth - please close the thread.

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#319429 - 08/08/06 11:16 AM Re: Nakba- A Naive Israeli?? [Re: scottkarin]
fkhateeb Offline
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Registered: 09/16/05
Posts: 191
Loc: My heart's in Lebanon
He was simply stating facts. There is no rule in the GEC saying that "inconvienient facts" cannot be posted. Just because you do not like the truth of the situation does not mean that it is propoganda and ripe for deletion.

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#319430 - 08/08/06 06:11 PM Re: Nakba- A Naive Israeli?? [Re: fkhateeb]
TOPlanner Offline
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Registered: 05/02/06
Posts: 6
Ah yes, facts. Facts always tell the whole story. Facts never lie. Facts are never selectively marshalled in support of one side's point of view. We can all agree on the facts!


Edited by TOPlanner (08/08/06 07:54 PM)
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#319431 - 08/09/06 07:42 AM Re: Nakba- A Naive Israeli?? [Re: fkhateeb]
scottkarin Offline
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Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 30
Quote:

He was simply stating facts. There is no rule in the GEC saying that "inconvienient facts" cannot be posted. Just because you do not like the truth of the situation does not mean that it is propoganda and ripe for deletion.



I didn't ask that the placemarks be removed, I asked that the discussion be closed because it is not in reference to the placemarks - but instead it is openly political.

Second, I wrote nothing about the "situation", so your accusation that I "do not like the truth of the situation" is simply false. You don't know anything about me or how I feel about what is going on over there. Please don't put words in my mouth, and I won't put them in yours.

Third, where did I write that it is "propaganda" and "ripe for deletion"? Did you perhaps reply to the wrong post? If so, please be more careful - I don't appreciate being singled out by you with these accusations whether it was intentional or accidental.

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#319432 - 08/09/06 11:34 PM Re: Nakba- The Palestinian Catastrophe [Re: Thameen_Darby]
atomwatch Offline
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Registered: 07/04/05
Posts: 1
Loc: Darwin, Australia
Very interesting and informative material. A real eye-opener.

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#319433 - 08/10/06 01:47 AM Re: Nakba- A Naive Israeli?? [Re: simon_pdavid]
epl18 Offline
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Registered: 06/14/06
Posts: 6
Loc: Israel
Quote:

Maybe because Arab Israelis have this wonderful thing called Israel citizenship, which allows them to vote.

I must say however that even Arab Israelis are discriminated against :
- They are not allowed to live in the 93% of the state of Israel that is controlled by the Jewish National Fund.
- they are ineligible for a share of any of the funds that flow to Israel through zionist organisations
- 400 of their villages today are not officially recognised as towns by the interior ministry, meaning they don't get electricity. There are bedouin villages in the Negev still using oil lamps.
- they are not allowed to marry anyone from the Arab world, if they want to live together in Israel. Whereas a Jewish Israeli can bring their whole family to Israel as a matter of right
- They are not allowed to build or extend houses on their own land, without a permit (which is practice impossible to obtain). Result is that there is an effective cap on their population growth
- Arabs generate 35% of the Jerusalem tax base yet receive only 8% of the government spending on services
- The party that came third in the recent Israeli elections ran on a platform of expelling arab Israelis from the country

I could go on....




unfortunately, arabs routinely break the rules, building houses and claiming land whenever they want. also, these placemarks are inaccurate (and many are indeed jewish towns that were kicked out to give their land to the arabs) after the redoing of israel several months ago. This post should be deleted due to its biased and inaccurate nature. and Mods, please get rid of this political discussion.
-epl18

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