#479785 - 06/29/06 04:49 AM
Re: China - Huangyangtan - Scale model of landscape?
[Re: KenGrok]
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Sweet find there, K. I would have to guess that we'll be able to find this somewhere along one of China's borders. Probably the Russian border, maybe the N Korean. The key to identifying the model will be in the lake patterns.
Gotta go, happy hunting everyone...
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#479786 - 07/14/06 01:57 PM
Answer: the landscape is of occupied territory
[Re: stiuskr]
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Your suggestion led me to look along China's borders and I found the area represented in the scale model. It's of territory occupied by China but claimed by India, north and south of the east end of the Karakoram range. The borders in this region are shown in red rather than yellow to indicate the dispute. The Indian name (or Uighur, apparently) for the main area under dispute is Aksayqin Hu. If you look at a map you'll see that there are three such regions like this. A smaller one to the south is part of the scale model. A third one father west is not: the valley directly northeast of K2. Presumably it is so inaccessable in the first place that it's not of concern to the Chinese planners. The whole area is extremely desolate. There aren't many hi-res shots of the border areas. I've included a link to about the only thing more interesting than bare dirt or ice: a hilltop fortifcation. To the east of it one can see a few groupings of artillery positions (without the hardware). Still, this doesn't tell of what the purpose of the model is. A couple more observations about it: - Its dimensions are almost exactly 700 x 900 m - At first I though that the grey-colored regions of the model represented those areas that area accessable by graded roads. This appears not always to be the case. One theory: all the trucks parked next to the model brought in recruits who are, centimeter by centimeter, in the process of painting the whole thing something other than the red it is made of. Added 21 July Here's what, for example, Wikipedia has to say about Aksai Chin Wikipedia article on Aksai Chin
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#479788 - 07/15/06 11:54 AM
Re: China - Huangyangtan - Scale model of landscape?
[Re: KenGrok]
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Wow, good work guys! Getting ready for vacation so I haven't been on much lately. I figured it was either a border area, or maybe in a foriegn territory and was being used for guided missle navigation testing, bomb run waypoints or something similar. You know that if they've got this seemingly insignificant patch of land modeled, I wonder what else is out there? And Braham's find looks to me like a highway network somewhere...
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#479789 - 07/19/06 04:39 AM
Re: China - Huangyangtan - Scale model of landscape?
[Re: KenGrok]
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Everyone has an active imagination. I do not believe this to be a military installation. The drilling well is a good start. Reasons not military base: No guard towers or posts No fencing Vehicles would not be painted in colors No communications tower (or backup) Too close to residence (could be employees, but again, its too open) Possible explanation: http://www.sxhsjt.cn/english/gongsi.htm#3There are several references on Google to the "Huangyangtan Farm" project. One interesting note, is that if you line up North and go directly south a few miles you'll see a large Nuclear Power Plant. To the SE of that is the Hydroelectric dam. -Nick
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#479790 - 07/19/06 09:42 AM
Re: China - Huangyangtan - Scale model of landscape?
[Re: cnick6]
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Especially when GE-ing China one's imagination can really go into turbo; there are so many unusual things there. Still, I think the model has some kind military function. Why? - It's of a militarily-sensitive region
- Much of the terrain on the west side of the main north-south road is used by the military. The area where the map sits has been used for military exercise. North of here (OK, possibly no connection) is an airbase with weapons storage and hangars tunneled into the mountain.
- Most of the vehicles parked around the model are olive-green (well, my imagination tells me that; GE colors are sometimes pretty bad). There are many dump trucks (there seems to be a lot of activity there), but even more personnel carriers. Inside that other facility, on the west side, it's true that there are vehicles of various colors. Perhaps that one does have a civilian function?
- Too close to town? In the Chinese deserts military facilities are often right on the edge of towns, though on the side towards the hills, and away from agriculture. I have seen this hundred of times.
- It's not possible to tell whether there's a fence. Looking on the south side of the area, the one without the trees planted, there are regularly spaced tiny blobs that are a shade darker than the embankment. But, again, it's impossible to say if they represent a fence.
- There appears to a guard tower on the west as well as on the north side
- If you're referring to the tower in the middle of the facility on the east of the model, that appears to be for radio broadcasting.
But, you know, in the end it's often very difficult to to tell what you're looking at in China. From all my crawling around this and other regions of China, it's hard to tell the difference between military and civilian. And in reality there's perhaps not a strict division between the two. I propose a contest; have forum readers suggest alternate uses. I'll go first: this is China's first miniature golf course based on the terrain of one of the territories they occupy.
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#479791 - 07/19/06 12:32 PM
Re: China - Huangyangtan - Scale model of landscap
[Re: cnick6]
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The beauty of open source information... Beijing MAC proactive in bettering ecological environment of north China. 4th paragraph: Quote:
Huangyangtan, the locality of an artillery shooting range, is 90 km away from Beijing and is one of the sources of sandstorms hitting Beijing. In order to improve the ecological environment there, the Beijing MAC has invested 500, 000 persons/times, millions of yuan of fund to plant trees and grow grass totalling75,000 mu. The forest coverage has increased from 0.08% at the beginning of building the shooting range to the present 62.5%. A coordinated tactics-drilling base of the military area command and a drilling base of a unit have invested large amount of manpower and material to afforestation. Now the barren hills and wastelands in the past have taken on a new green look and the forest and grass survival rate reached 90% and above. The Hongshan Military Horse Ranch has adopted such comprehensive harnessing measures as enclosing pastures where herding horse is forbidden, while growing trees and grass on these pastures to recover the deteriorated grassland. The National Afforestation Committee and the Environmental Protection and Afforestation Committee of the PLA have named the Hongshan Military Horse Ranch as the Demonstration Base in Ecological Construction of the state and the army.
Out of that I pull: 1. artillery shooting range 2. coordinated tactics-drilling base of the military area command 3. drilling base of a unit 4. Military Horse Ranch
I believe #1, the artillery range, is here, just to the west of the landscape. The numbers on the hills are probably used for ranging and there do appear to be craters from artillery, especially to the South. Just follow the mountain range and they will pop out at you.
Since there are military tactics drilling bases also in the city, I think it is probable the landscape is being used for those purposes.
The windmill farm is interesting though.
Hope these links work... I haven't posted before.
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#479792 - 07/19/06 07:38 PM
Re: China - Huangyangtan - Scale model of landscap
[Re: KenGrok]
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Quote:
I propose a contest; have forum readers suggest alternate uses. I'll go first: this is China's first miniature golf course based on the terrain of one of the territories they occupy.
They've been trying to build roads there for a long time, haven't they. The model is less than 1 sq.mile, so it's use for training infantrymen is limited. But if they want to plan roads and other civil engineering works, then this is just nice.
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