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#57572 - 07/18/05 09:15 AM Re: Two cruise missiles in flight!!! **** [Re: matzeus]
wintersons Offline
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Registered: 07/18/05
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OMHO - Helicopters. They would fly low, slow and in formation in the same direction.

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#57573 - 07/18/05 09:30 AM Re: Two cruise missiles in flight!!! [Re: wintersons]
Pugs Offline
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Registered: 07/03/05
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Maybe stationary targets for anti-missile testing?

Before you try to hit a moving one, better make sure you can hit one glued to the ground on a tower.

Just a thought,

Pugs

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#57574 - 07/18/05 10:40 AM agreed.. Except [Re: TommyAfrika]
matzeus Offline
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Registered: 07/12/05
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Except you are looking at a missile test range.
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#57575 - 07/18/05 11:02 PM Re: agreed.. Except [Re: matzeus]
foobar Offline
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These and other objects - some laid out as SAM sites, AAA or parked aircraft - are surrounded by bomb/missile craters.

They're static targets.

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#57576 - 07/19/05 10:35 AM Re: agreed.. Except [Re: foobar]
matzeus Offline
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I see what you mean.. Best arguement yet, Im afraid.. Darn it.
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#57577 - 07/19/05 01:48 PM Re: Two cruise missiles in flight!!! [Re: matzeus]
esterrett Moderator Offline
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That's a good find, whatever they are.

The only problem with your assessment is that these objects are about 8 feet wide and 50 feet long. That's four times wider and two and a half to three times longer than a Tomahawk cruise missles (18 feet long (20 if the booster is still attached), and 20 inches wide).

Someone else's opinion that these are helicopters is probably closer to reality.

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#57578 - 07/19/05 10:11 PM Re: Two cruise missiles in flight!!! [Re: matzeus]
imagery_expert Offline
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Registered: 07/19/05
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Good find, what these seem to be are two blackhawk helos. You can tell by the size and and the triangular shape at the front of them and the way they are both flying in formation. Looks like they are out there doing some live fire exercises. IMHO. Awesome find!! Keep up the good work.

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#57579 - 07/20/05 11:05 AM Helicopters? I dont think so... [Re: imagery_expert]
matzeus Offline
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I do not see the resemblance to helicopters/Black Hawks. Ive seen a fair share of helicopters browsing google earth, and none had these characteristics with a slim body and tail wings, all white. On top of that, this is in the middle of a strict no flying zone!

I think the best bet writing these off as flying missiles are Foobars observation that there are more than average craters around these objects - suggesting static targets.

My initial suggestion that these are flying missiles is based on shadow altitude. Looking at the plane mockups on the tracks north, these objects seem to be higher off ground. bear in mind that a homing missile will usually be flying very low.

Also I do not think you can dismiss them as missiles based on size alone. This is a test range for experimental ballistic vehicles. Likely to be all sorts of exotic tests going on. And there are missiles as big or bigger than these. Check the Sunburn missile for instance (not the same signature but as large - and operating).


Edited by matzeus (07/20/05 11:06 AM)
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#57580 - 07/21/05 12:05 PM Re: Two cruise missiles in flight!!! [Re: matzeus]
RWills_Dept_of_Eng_SyrNY Offline
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Registered: 07/20/05
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Is it possible that these could be a UAV such as the Predator which is based out of nearby Indian Springs AFAB? That would account for the wings, the almost triangular head someone says that they see, and the white color...

I couldnt find dimensions for the Predator but then again I didnt look as hard as I could have...


I am new here but that is just my opinion...

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#57581 - 07/21/05 12:40 PM Re: Two cruise missiles in flight!!! [Re: Stadsman]
EdwardSmith Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Looking at the length and placement of the shadows and comparing them to a building to the NW, along the runway, I'd have to say that these things are not in flight, but are ground objects.

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