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#933374 - 09/04/07 09:47 AM Hungarian swept abroad *****
syzygy Offline
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...by the tide of history.

hi all!
in this thread i am to put up as much settlements as i can in which numerous hungarians live in the neighbouring countries.
i think very important not to forget the hungarian placenames and the compatriots who have to live in foreign countries
since have been swept abroad by the Treaty of Trianon, and by others.

watch 56 sec archives glossary of
the most sorrowful event of hungarian history,
damnation of a nation in the heart of Europe on
the 4th of June, 1920., Trianon palace, Versailles.

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In the KMZ file attached to this posting you will find numerous settlements as they called in Hungarian and index numbers of their Hungarian population in description.

The file contains marks only for Transylvania, Slovakia and Serbia, but Hungarian population distribution maps are included for all neighboring countries.
Subcarpathia in Hungarian and Csángó Hungarians has their own post and attached file in the following thread.

I recommend that also download the
Historical Hungary border line set
for a complete understanding of the subject!
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NEW: updated borderline set helps you compare territories of the Vienna Awards
with the ethnical distribution maps of hungarians in the Carpathian basin.

...ever we have to know some history basics, topic is not about history, but present day's situation so have put it up here on People&Cultures.

recent stage of updates:

( Subcarpathia and the Csángó Hungarians included on picture)

Modern Hungarian is spoken by over 15 million people all over the world. Of these about 10 million live in what is known as Hungary. Outside present-day Hungary, but within the boundaries of historical Hungary, live another 3-3.5 million Hungarians. These Hungarians found themselves abroad after World War I when historical Hungary ceased to exist together with the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and new states were created (e.g. Czechoslovakia), or existing ones were enlarged (e.g. Romania) by the Trianon Peace Treaty in 1920. The Hungarian minority in Romania is the most numerous: there are about 2 million of them, mainly in Transylvania, and this number includes the Székely (sometimes spelt in English: Szekler), a people who by their language and cultural heritage are Hungarians, but whose origin is far from being satisfactorily explained. They supposedly lived in Transylvania before the Hungarian conquest and apparently adopted the Hungarian language. It is also claimed sometimes that they are the descendants of Huns and have been living there ever since the Empire of Attila. Today's Székelys possess no distinguishing features, if they ever had any, except their proud assertion that they are Székelys and not Hungarians. About one million Hungarians live in the southern part of Czechoslovakia, and about half a million in northern Yugoslavia. A small autochthonous Hungarian population is found in the westernmost part of the Soviet Union on the western slopes of the Carpathians, and in eastern Austria, in Burgenland.

The rest of the Hungarians living abroad emigrated beyond neighbouring countries of their own free will. The majority of them (about one million) settled in North America (the USA and Canada), but Hungarians also went to South America (particularly to Argentina) and to Australia. In Europe, Austria, Germany, France, and England all have received Hungarian immigrants. Mass emigration took place at the end of the last century: large numbers of unemployed Hungarians moved to North America. After both World Wars Hungarians fled abroad mainly for political reasons. The last wave of refugees, some 200,000, left Hungary after the revolution in 1956.
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According to the results of the censuses held around the millennium in each country in the Carpathian Basin, there are approximately 2.5 million Hungarians living in the neighbouring countries to Hungary.

  • The most recent official figures regarding the number of Hungarians in the neighbouring countries are:
  • Romania: 000000000000ii 1,431,807 (2002)
  • Slovakia: 0000000000000iiii 520,528 (2001)
  • Serbia: and Montenegro 00ii 293,299 (2002)
  • Ukraine: 00000000000000iii 156,600 (2001)
  • Austria: 00000000000000000 40,583 (2001)
  • Croatia: 0000000000000000ii 16,595 (2001)
  • Slovenia: 00000000000000000 6,243 (2002)
  • It is estimated that the number of the dispersed Hungarians and persons of Hungarian origin living outside of the Carpathian Basin is between 2 and 2.5 million individuals. Approximately 260,000 to 270,000 Hungarians may live in Western Europe (Austria not included), 1.6 million in North America, 50,000 to 55,000 in South America, and at least 62,000 in Australia and New Zealand. In addition, about 200,00 to 250,000 Hungarians may live in Israel, 30,000 in Asia, and at least 10,000 in Africa, mostly in South Africa. -more-



Hungarians in Transylvania
In connection with the Hungarians, its was mistakenly believed for a long time that the numerical size of the two-million strong community was manipulated by the official statistics of Romania's communist regime. However, the 1992 census clearly indicated that this illusion had to be discarded, and the census taken a decade later rang the alarm bell and made undeniable the fact that population decrease had become the greatest and most burning problem of Transylvania's Hungarians. The Hungarian minority community, which has protected its interests with great success and stands at the threshold of European integration, is now confronted by a tremendous challenge and must find a remedy to the new "threat" of the new century, namely population aging and emigration. However, this community has enough strength to survive and have a future, as evidenced by its nearly one-century old history and present as well.

For Transylvania's Hungarians, the 1920 Trianon Peace Treaty, next to the separation from the mother country, marked the beginning of becoming a minority and the start of a new "nation building". In the course of its one thousand- year history, it was not the first time that they had been forcibly separated from Hungary but until the 19th century, they had never become a minority and compelled to integrate the frame of another nation-state. A certain degree of Transylvanian regional consciousness can also be found in pre-Trianon history but Transylvania's Hungarians as a category were born later and subsequently determined the frame, basic principles, and means of interest assertion of their way of life as a minority that are valid to this day.
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Hungarians in Slovakia
The Hungarians living today in Slovakia and their forefathers first became a minority in 1918 with the establishment of Czechoslovakia.

Until then, their political, cultural, and national existence was similar to that of the united Hungarian nation, in the same manner as their place of birth - the regions still inhabited by them today - developed in accordance with the social conditions of the prevailing Kingdom of Hungary. Referring to the right to self-determination of the fictitious "Czechoslovak nation", the Czechoslovakia created by the Big Powers came into being as a multinational state made up of territories from the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, in which there lived according to the data of the Austrian and Hungarian 1910 census 13.5 million inhabitants, of whom 6.3 million were Czechs, 3.5 million Germans, 1.9 million Slovaks, 1.1 million Hungarians, 0.5 million Ruthenians, 100,000 Poles, and 200,000 Israelites who were considered of Jewish nationality from 1921 on. (Subcarpathia, today called Transcarpathia, also belonged to the Czechoslovakia created in 1918, was ceded to the Soviet Union in 1945 and became part of Ukraine following the dissolution of the USSR in 1991).

ethnical content of the territory of today's Slovakia 1910-2001:

pic and text credit: HTMH in english

Of the territory of the Kingdom of Hungary which was part of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy, 61,633 square kilometers were attached to Czechoslovakia, with a total population of 3,517,568 according to the data of the previous census. Of these, 30.3% were Hungarians, 7.4% Germans, 48.2% Slovaks, and 12.3% Ruthenians.

After the change of political regime, the Hungarians living in Czechoslovakia were able to start organizing themselves and, after more than one half-century of forced interruption, to establish their political organizations as well. They set up four political parties that merged in 1998 to become the Hungarian Coalition Party (MKP). Among the Hungarian parties, only the MKP took part after the 2002 parliamentary elections.

Government Office For Hungarian Minorities Abroad


Hungarians in Serbia, Voivodina (Vajdasági Magyarok)
The name "Vojvodina" in the Serbian language simply means "voivodship" (a type of duchy) Vajdaság in hungarian.

Hungarians or Magyars are the second largest ethnic group in the Vojvodina province, Serbia. According to the 2002 census, there are 290,207 ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina who compose 14.28% of the provincial population. The number of ethnic Hungarians in the whole of Serbia is 293,299, and their participation for the overall population of Serbia is 3.91%. Like all other Hungarians, they speak the Hungarian language, and the majority are Roman Catholics by faith; smaller numbers of those in Serbia are Calvinist. Hungarian is one of the six official languages of Vojvodina.

Ethnical content of Vojvodina 1910-2002:

HTMH

Most of the Hungarians (59.71% of the total) live in the northern part of Vojvodina, in the eight municipalities where they form the absolute or relative majority. The municipalities with an absolute Hungarian majority are: Kanizsa (86.52%), Zenta (80.51%), Ada (76.64%), Topolya (58.94%), Kishegyes (55.92%) and Csóka (51.56%). The ethnically mixed municipalities with relative Hungarian majority are óbecse (48.83%) and Szabadka (38.47%). The city of Subotica (Szabadka) is a cultural and political centre for the Hungarians in Vojvodina (Vajdaság). -wikipedia-

gratis: World Population Change 1950-2005

regards,

g


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#933375 - 09/04/07 09:30 PM Hungarians swept abroad and sink [Re: syzygy]
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Quote:

it is not history so had to put it up here on People&Cultures.






It would be interesting to see these numbers 90 years ago in the history forum just to compare...

Anyway a very useful collection of placemarks for Hungarias planning to visit Transylvania. Thank you!
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#933376 - 09/05/07 01:22 AM Hungarians swept abroad (Transylvania) [Re: Villaman]
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do not be afraid my friend!
this is a strong and beautiful piece of our nation there.
astonishing endurance they have proven.
God bless them all!

Transylvania's nationality composition and the Hungarian population trend between 1910 and 2002:

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#933377 - 09/05/07 05:45 AM Re: Hungarians swept abroad (Transylvania) [Re: syzygy]
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Pac-man seems to shut its mouth but they won't give up! God bless them!

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#933378 - 12/07/07 08:54 AM csángó folk music [Re: syzygy]
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Ethnic Hungarians live in parts of Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, the United States and elsewhere. Of these, the Hungarian population of Romania (both in the region of Transylvania and among the Csángó people) has had the most musical impact on Hungary itself. The Hungarian community in Slovakia has produced the rootsy band Ghymes, who play in the táncház tradition. The Serbian region of Vojvodina is home to a large Hungarian minority; in this restive area, Hungarian music has been the target of attack by Serbian nationalists.

Transylvanian folk music remains vital part of life in modern Transylvania. Bartók and Kodály found Transylvania to be a fertile area for folk song collecting. Folk bands are usually a string trio, consisting of a violin, viola and double bass, occasionally with a cimbalom; the first violin, or primás, plays the melody, with the others accompanying and providing the rhythm. Transylvania is also the original home of the táncház tradition, which has since spread throughout Hungary.
Hungarian folk music on wikipedia


The ethnic Csángó Hungarians of Moldavia's Seret Valley using flutes, fiddles, drums and the lute up till now.

below i give a boquet from an album i got from a friend. (album, artist, titles unknown. any help welcomed!)

instrumental:
#1 listen here

songs:
#1 listen here
este van este van nyócat üt ez óra
minden szép leányka készül guzsolyásba

csak az én édesem nem készül et vala
mert rítt a megtalált szerencsétlen ara (?)

elindulsz egy útra s én es egy másikra
ahol összegyűlünk egymásnak ne szóljunk

aki azt meglátja mit fog a mondani
azt fogja mondani nem szeretjük egymást

szeretlek, szeretlek csak ne mond sekinek
mig ez oltár előtt össze nem szentelnek

ha ez oltár előtt haj össze szenteltek
mondjad mindenkinek, hogy össze szenteltek


#2 listen here
bánat bánat be megettél m emín csak fődbe nem tettél
bánat bánat be megettél m emín csak fődbe nem tettél
jobb lett volna s oda betegy, mintsem engemet így megegy
jobb lett volna s oda betegy, mintsem engemet így megegy

megyek az utamon elé senki nem mondja jere bé
megyek az utamon elé senki nem mondja jere bé
jere bé tiszteljelek meg, ha búsulsz es kérgyelek meg
busulok es bánkódom es ha sírok rejámfér az es

erdő erdő kerek erdő közepét mi járjuk kettőn
erdő erdő kerek erdő közepét mi járjuk kettőn
ugy szeretném az egyiket a kettőből a szebbiket
az egyiket feleségnek s a másikot szeretőmnek

nyíljék az ég három felé hogy én menjek hazafelé
nyíljék az ég három felé hogy én menjek hazafelé
úgy meg vagyok keseredve mint e ficfa tekeredve
jaj Istenem alig élek, még egy madártól es félek


#3 listen here
Ilonám Ilonám szép langos Ilonám
ablak mellett varr a fekete selyemmel

tölti tölti vala gyűrűzi selyemet
szemzi szemzi vala síró könnyeivel

bátyám édes bátyám én csak attól félek
zöld erdő zúgástól fegyver roppanástól

Magyarország szélin felnőtt egy almafa
az alatt megnyugszik két huszár katona

egyik mondja vala Istenem, Istenem
másik mondja vala ne búsulj barátom

tenger a fődet nem magának hajtja,
z anyja szép leányát nem magának tartja

karján felneveli, szárnyára ereszti,
távolból kesergi, hogy más szidja s veri
karján felneveli, szárnyára ereszti,
távolból kesergi, hogy más szidja s veri


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Edited by syzygy (08/06/09 05:31 PM)
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#933379 - 01/25/08 07:54 AM Hungarians swept abroad - Slovakia [Re: syzygy]
syzygy Offline
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(EDIT: file and posting attached to OP. check proper subfolder!)


Edited by syzygy (08/04/09 01:38 AM)
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#933380 - 01/26/08 03:37 AM Hungarians swept abroad - Serbia [Re: syzygy]
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(EDIT: file and posting attached to OP. check proper subfolder!)


Edited by syzygy (08/04/09 01:38 AM)
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#933381 - 03/12/08 09:28 AM HTMH no more since 2006. [Re: syzygy]
syzygy Offline
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just realized, one of my map sources (HTMH - Government Office for Hungarian Minorities Abroad) has been done away in 2006...
warning window warns the visitors, they browsing the archives!
english version seems all right at first glance except all the maps still cannot be reached.
g


Edited by syzygy (03/13/08 02:41 AM)

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#933382 - 03/26/08 11:37 PM Re: HTMH no more since 2006. [Re: syzygy]
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Quite complicated. Good statistics

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#933383 - 04/28/08 10:10 AM Re: Hungarians swept abroad [Re: syzygy]
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i think first in transilvania whose romanian.

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